ionic metal detector

[Qiaozhi]

Missing Images - Figures 1 to 4

Can someone tell me how to insert an image into a post?
When I select "Insert Image" it requests a URL. I can upload images using the "Manage Attachements" button, but what should I do next?
Last time I tried pasting the html link into the post, but this only seemed to work for the first image.
Clearly I've lost the plot here...

[Qiaozhi]

Missing Images - Figures 1 to 4

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[Carl-NC]

Adding attachments...

1) Click the "Manage Attachments" button
2) Click the "Browse" buttons to select files on your PC
3) Click "Upload" to transfer them to the forum server

Attachments are added at the end of your message, they cannot be placed at specific places in the message, as far as I know. Image URLs can.

- Carl

[Carl-NC]

The IEP Biotronic System (codenamed Garreutto) consists of the following building blocks: Target Height Identification System, Identification Stabilizer, Amplifier, and Sample Chamber Amplifier Module.

There is a clue here... I just can't put my finger on it...

[Carl-NC]

Yes. Ionic detection works and the Mineoro detectors do detect the gold ions.
All matter degrades with time and releases ions as they do.

This simply is not true. Most chemical reactions and matter decay do not produce ions.

Ions are modified atoms. When the atom loses electrons or gains electrons in this process of electron exchange, it is said to be IONIZED. For ionization to take place, there must be a transfer of energy which results in a change in the internal energy of the atom. Earth acts like this. An atom having more than its normal amount of electrons acquires a negative charge, and is called a NEGATIVE ION. The atom that gives up some of its normal electrons is left with less negative charges than positive charges and is called a POSITIVE ION.

OK, that's the basics of what an ion is...

The static electricity acts as a 'vehicle' transporting the ions in a elipse shape field and the detector captures the signal.

What static electricity? Are you saying wind has zero effect on atoms floating in the air?

This explanation is for all the others who don't know how it works. You have been given enough info about it and still seem to not comprehend it.

The explanation has too many gaping holes.

I'll ask again... is the a simple experiment I can do, which will demonstrate that gold produces ions?

- Carl

[Qiaozhi]

Description is incorrect

I agree with Carl - the description of operation for the ionic detector on the Mineoro website is incorrect. This is not the way that ionic-electrostatic detection works. Whoever wrote that information does not understand the basic underlying principles used in these detectors. The correct description for this phenomenon is "continually replenished alternating potential", or C.R.A.P. as it is known in the scientific community. This C.R.A.P. is expelled by objects that have been buried for a long time, and is continually replenished by the electrostatic field generated by the earth's rotation. Mineoro detectors capture this C.R.A.P. as it moves through space and compares its polarization to the sample contained in the Sample Chamber Amplifier Module. When the detected C.R.A.P. is mixed within the Biotronic System (using special modulation techniques) it is possible to discriminate between the different types of C.R.A.P. and output a signal accordingly.
Someone should really contact Mineoro and request that they update their website with the correct information.

[Esteban]

As I said: A microvoltmeter in association with a impulse stretcher and other electronics detects (in my case) 80 m for regular size item and 50 meter a coin from the detector. This micro or milivolts (potential) for small targets I post here many times (remember?) is the theme. For treasures more high voltage. Iron enclosure nullify the potential of noble metals.

[strujas]

i am interested for some lrs can you tell me for some which is good and give me a schematic?

[Largesarge]

Strujas, don't waste your time, effort and money on LRL's they are bogus. They are a ruse perpetrated by unscrupulous, immoral people whose only purpose is to part you from your hard earned money.

[Qiaozhi]

Build your own

Strujas, don't waste your time, effort and money on LRL's they are bogus. They are a ruse perpetrated by unscrupulous, immoral people whose only purpose is to part you from your hard earned money.

I really wouldn't waste my money buying a commercial LRL. Internally they are very simple in construction. If you want to decide for yourself whether these devices are bogus or not, then go and build your own. If you're looking for "step-by-step" detailed instructions, then I could probably put some together and post the information on this forum.

LRLs are not for everyone, but they work best for people who fit this quote:
"Gaining an Understanding of Longrange Locator Instruments Breeds a Lifetime of Experience".

[mosha]

go ahead qiaozhi

we are awaiting.

[Carl-NC]

Once again, we have a disagreement over the concept of ion detection, and of Mineoro's claims. In order to detect ions, you need either a collector plate or a drift tube, and it must be exposed so ions can enter. The Mineoro has neither; it has a black plastic "sensor" on the front, and because it is sealed, ions cannot possibly enter it. It is silly to suggest otherwise.

Besides that, ion detection from a long distance is unfeasable. Ions are physical atoms... they will scatter, mix, and move with air currents. Even if you manage to detect a particular ion, there is no way to tell where it came from. And discriminating ion types (gold from oxygen) requires a drift tube, and a fair concentration of ions.

Please remember, I've actually tested a Mineoro PDC-205... it DID NOT work. It was completely unable to detect gold. I took it apart, and found that it DID NOT have the sensor or the circuitry needed for ion detection. The claims made by Mineoro are flatly false.

I don't want this to turn into a big argument. The purpose of these forums is to disseminate technical information about detecting methods. That's why I keep asking for experimental methods that will prove a claim... in these forums, claims alone mean nothing.

If anyone wishes to convince me that I'm wrong, you will need to provide some physical evidence. I suggest an experiment that conclusively demonstrates that gold emits ions. As an alternative, a chemical equation that shows the reaction which produces the gold ions. Or an experiment that demonstrates a long distance ion detector.

I'm still waiting for Mineoro to follow up on their request to take my $25,000 LRL challenge. My last few emails have gone unanswered. So, for those who believe the Mineoro detectors work, have fun with them. Everyone else, be wary.

- Carl

[strujas]

"Qiaozhi"
"If you're looking for "step-by-step" detailed instructions, then I could probably put some together and post the information on this forum."
Post it!

[Qiaozhi]

A Simple Experiment

Try this ->

http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/a...ntid=437&stc=1

[strujas]

post a completly instructions,,not step by step,,i am hurry,,thanx....