ionic metal detector

[okantex]

qiaozhi

did not you come back to your home
You give a promise on your long rang locator.why did you stop talking on it
there is a truth of locating from long distances but the right way could not find yet.even a stick can locate cavities underground.
we are waiting for yours.it looks like earth's magnetic field density locator

[Carl-NC]

Sorry if I hurt some feelings, but after all the non sense post here regarding the supposed non existence of ionic fields, I have some good news to the ones who have detectors based on this.

A friend of mine, serious treasure hunter in Brazil, with record of several valuable finds, while searching for a certain target on beach, detected a 7 gram gold ring with a PDC 210 (same model as I have) from 230 feet away which was 12 inches deep.
Of course this was not the target he was after. But this is important news since this is an impressive mark for the PDC. This mark is usually up to the new GDMs and GDPs.
The ionic fields right now in Brazil are excellent.
Regards to all.

No feelings hurt here! All opinions & inputs are welcomed, as long as it's kept polite.

I've heard of a number of finds made with dowsing-type LRLs, yet my own testing shows they do not work. So how do people find things with them? There are a number of different ways that have nothing at all to do with the LRL itself.

So, I generally don't place a lot of weight on sporadic LRL successes, especially when the failure rate is so overwhelmingly high. If I had a legitimate LRL that could detect gold from even 100 feet away, I would be walking the resort beaches and digging up 100 rings a day, easy.

What I still want to see, is an experiment that demonstrates this ionic detection method. No one yet has come up with anything.

- Carl

[Qiaozhi]

Sorry

qiaozhi

did not you come back to your home
You give a promise on your long rang locator.why did you stop talking on it
there is a truth of locating from long distances but the right way could not find yet.even a stick can locate cavities underground.
we are waiting for yours.it looks like earth's magnetic field density locator

Hi Okantex,

I think you must have missed one of my earlier posts entitled - "Don't get upset - it was all a hoax". For whatever bizarre and twisted reason, I was simply playing with the minds of the LRL users on this forum. Personally I believe that LRLs are based on flawed science, and (at worst) are scams perpetrated by people who are perfectly aware that these devices have no chance of detecting gold or silver from even a few inches. You may believe otherwise, and I wish you luck in your treasure hunting. However - do you not find it the least bit strange that no-one has ever claimed the $25,000 dollar prize that is on offer? Surely one of the LRL manufacturers should be able to prove the reality of their claims by taking this simple test.

My apologies if you were expecting something more. By the way, I am still away from home, but am able to access the internet.

Qiaozhi.

[okantex]

Thanks for your reply

[hung]

I've heard of a number of finds made with dowsing-type LRLs, yet my own testing shows they do not work. So how do people find things with them? There are a number of different ways that have nothing at all to do with the LRL itself.

This is the last time I'll go into this subject which at least for me will lead to nowhere.
You've heard a lot of sucess stories from people who dowse yet you still claim it does not work. It's a big contradiction don't you think? When a lot of people who dowse report sucess and you can't dowse and yet report it does not work. This is not fair. I think you should investigate why you can't do it other than bashing people who can.

I don't believe dowsing works. I KNOW it works. For reasons I won't bring here because the evidences would bring another 'battle' just like in other forums.

Anyway, the PDC is no dowsing . It's an electronic equipment which is able to trace down the gold target to its source. After about a year and a half of owning one, I have located a lot of targets. I've noticed that for small objects like coins or rings, the PDC almost beep directly to them. Although the use of a 2 box is welcome. But one should only use it when he knows the aproximate spot, as the 2 box will destroy the field for several days. For bigger targets or when the object is buried for a very long time, the ionic field is huge and when you walk inside its perimeter, there will be beeps in all directions. In this case, the use of a 2 or 3 KV generator is necessary to bring the field down and depolarize it.

So, I generally don't place a lot of weight on sporadic LRL successes, especially when the failure rate is so overwhelmingly high. If I had a legitimate LRL that could detect gold from even 100 feet away, I would be walking the resort beaches and digging up 100 rings a day, easy.

Sure you could do it.
When I was at Mineoro's factory I saw the hundreds of items recovered at the beach in Garopaba where 30,000 pieces are estimated waiting to be recovered.
You'll need time, lots of water, sunscreen and perseverance. The best time here is the summer time. Temperatures of 104 degrees almost all day long. Beach is completely crowded. You have almost no space to even walk a 10 foot straight line.
Peak times for ionic fields are bet 11:30 and 13:00 and from 15:00 to 17;30.
So as you see, it's a lot easier saying 'Ill recover every ring at the beach' and actually going there and doing it under these conditions.
Are you ready to only do this for a living?

No LRL around is a 'ready, out of the box' unit for general use. If it was, then all the gold of the world would be probably gone by now. It takes experience, personal techniques, knowledge of your equipment and perseverance. It also takes time.
In the case of Mineoro detectors, they are all dependent of the ionic field phenomena. There are proved times of year when those fields are real low, and the probability of finding diminishes completely. I for myself had sucess locating a long time seek target in those bad times.

What I still want to see, is an experiment that demonstrates this ionic detection method. No one yet has come up with anything.

As I said earlier. I'm far from trying to convince people about this. What for?
If you think the ionic field is a falacy, fine. Just go up front and say you found no evidence it works. But I think it's trully unfair to deliberately claim it does not work. You run the serious risk to be disproved and the inconvenience of not being taken seriously anymore.
If you want proof, have a trip to Mineoro. Talk to Damasio, the inventor. Take your conclusions. Have you noticed he don't bother to come to forums to discuss this?
And before you think of saying this, I can do it . I'm no representative, affiliated, or work for Mineoro.
I know a lot of people who use the detectors and had sucess. Why you can't?
When I was there Damasio's secretary received a fax from a mexican researcher who for several months could not detect anything. As I could read his story, he said he was about to also think it was just a big BS detector. When...
He had been in an old abandoned church lots of times and the PDC beeped every time he was there in a certain direction. Only then he realized the beeps were not falsing or caused by electrical interference. Also they were not coming from any buried object. The origin of them was from candeliers which were over a table. As they were full of dirt, people always thought they ware made of brass. Surprise, surprise....

[Esteban]

Carl, I think Mineoro can change your only one potentiometer microcontroller type for a PDC 205 or PDC 210 two controls type. These two models 2 pots. are very different. Also in the past I had the automatic...

[Unregistered]

If you are really looking for a long range detector then I have a chicken that can sense gold and silver at over 2 kilometres. After extensive conversations with a geneticist at university of Liverpool in England it seems that the chicken expresses a gene shared with dowsers. Now I’m not prepared to sell the actual chicken however the geneticist have assured me that there should be a least one chicken in each clutch that will share this gene. What I’m offering is each of these chicks for a bargain price of £10,000, yes I know there worth a lot more but I have so much gold and silver now that the money is unimportant to me, the £10,000 is just to ensure you can afford to give each one of my loved pets a good home. If you are not interested in a chick perhaps because of an allergy, then I can put you in touch with a good friend of mine Jack who has developed a new strain of bean that when grow in manure from my chickens will produce gold. As I have signed a non-disclosure agreement I am not at liberty to explain the process however in a similar manner that peas will fix nitrogen at its roots, this new strain of bean fixes gold near the top of the plant. The new stain of bean Phaseolus Mag icus will be offered at a reasonable £1000 per bean. Please note that you will not be allowed to sell any beans generated by the plant due to patient restrictions. If you are interested in getting in at the ground level of these products then drop me a mail at makmea@richman.org.

[Great_Alex]

You can't trust results of Minero ..

Hi

You must know that every detected signal by device like Mineroo not true signal infact in real treasure field there are many things that may give you mistake signal if you want to buy a long range locator Thomas Gravitator or PMRIII of Anderson rods give you better results with less Mistake .
you must know all about soil condition and effect of ground electromagnetic field.
always check your result by a pulseInduction detector . I test many of them and Lorenz DeepMax is the best .

You can trust result of lorenz but alway before drill a deep well search near surface (to .5 meters deep of ground surface) by a 25 cm (Diameter) coil or a metal detector like explorer Minelab for finding junks.
it's very important because signal of junks and little metals near surface that they don't so far of each other is like a good treasure in deep.


Cheers

[Largesarge]

Very good there unregistered rich guy.

[Qiaozhi]

LRL

If you are really looking for a long range detector then I have a chicken that can sense gold and silver at over 2 kilometres. After extensive conversations with a geneticist at university of Liverpool in England it seems that the chicken expresses a gene shared with dowsers. Now I’m not prepared to sell the actual chicken however the geneticist have assured me that there should be a least one chicken in each clutch that will share this gene. What I’m offering is each of these chicks for a bargain price of £10,000, yes I know there worth a lot more but I have so much gold and silver now that the money is unimportant to me, the £10,000 is just to ensure you can afford to give each one of my loved pets a good home. If you are not interested in a chick perhaps because of an allergy, then I can put you in touch with a good friend of mine Jack who has developed a new strain of bean that when grow in manure from my chickens will produce gold. As I have signed a non-disclosure agreement I am not at liberty to explain the process however in a similar manner that peas will fix nitrogen at its roots, this new strain of bean fixes gold near the top of the plant. The new stain of bean Phaseolus Mag icus will be offered at a reasonable £1000 per bean. Please note that you will not be allowed to sell any beans generated by the plant due to patient restrictions. If you are interested in getting in at the ground level of these products then drop me a mail at makmea@richman.org.

Hee Hee!!
and very reasonably priced too...

[Siliquae_Sid]

Yes. Ionic detection works and the Mineoro detectors do detect the gold ions.
All matter degrades with time and releases ions as they do.

Ions are modified atoms. When the atom loses electrons or gains electrons in this process of electron exchange, it is said to be IONIZED. For ionization to take place, there must be a transfer of energy which results in a change in the internal energy of the atom. Earth acts like this. An atom having more than its normal amount of electrons acquires a negative charge, and is called a NEGATIVE ION. The atom that gives up some of its normal electrons is left with less negative charges than positive charges and is called a POSITIVE ION.

The static electricity acts as a 'vehicle' transporting the ions in a elipse shape field and the detector captures the signal.

This explanation is for all the others who don't know how it works. You have been given enough info about it and still seem to not comprehend it.

I'm a one type of person who does not try to convince people of the truth.They think and act at their will.

DUR!!!!

Static electricity?? The point is that STATIC electricity CANNOT transport jack s**t it's STATIC!! The only thing you can measure is the strength or density of the field, and in no way can so called ionic detection work in this way.

Looking at the internals of these LRL's, you stand more chance sticking a pin in a map and digging a hole there. Sure you might get lucky, and I have to admit that DOWSING DOES WORK, despite a comlete lack of scientific explanation.

What you have is not some fancy metal detector, it convinces the user that they have an innate ability to sense the distortions in the magnetic field of the earth, in the same way birds use it to navigate, yet you seem hell bent on trying to explain in bulls**t made up terminology, that which cannot be explained. I have yet to see one of these instruments better a pair of bent copper rods, or a crystal on a string held over a map. When will you people stop trying to pretend that you know what you are talking about and get real.

To be honest, these scams might work they might not, for some they do for others they don't, the more you believe, probably the more likely the unit is to work for you.

See PLACEBO in the dictionary, also GULLIBLE, SCAM, RIP-OFF and MUG. In some cases check out RETARD too.

[Unregistered]

Nexus

HOWTO Build Your Own Long Range Locator

The operating principle of LRLs is not immediately obvious if viewed from the perspective of accepted physics. First hand examination of these devices will reveal an apparently simplistic construction that obscures the complex subtlety of their design.

Two types are described here. The first is similar to the Ranger-Tell Examiner, and the other is an advanced electronic device that operates on the same underlying principle as the Mineoro detectors.

For example, the Ranger-Tell Examiner may appear at first sight to contain just a handful of components that seem loosely connected in some arbitrary fashion. This conclusion is far from the truth, as will be explained fully in the following analysis.

One of the most confusing aspects of the Examiner design is the enameled wire that protrudes through the case and terminates just below the calculator housing without any apparent connection. This type of connection can be explained by reference to the work carried out by Zaev, Avramenko and Lisin on displacement current. According to the authors – "The measurement of the polarisation current in matter can clean up the long-standing dispute about the nature of dielectric permeability of metals, and also make possible the transmission of energy along an isolated conductor without a galvanically closed current circuit. Nicholai Tesla demonstrated this on 1st February 1892 in London but the description of the method applied by him for such a transmission line has not been preserved."

A simple circuit (known as Avramenko’s fork) can be used to demonstrate this method of energy transmission.

http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/a...tachmentid=411

Note that there is no connection between the load and a common terminal, such as ground. The load is quite simply isolated from ground, but it still receives power.

This type of circuit is not subject to Kirchoff’s current and voltage laws, and the output current measured in the load is not appreciatively affected by inserting a capacitor of 0.1uF in the line. This is the underlying principle of power derivation within the Examiner LRL, and the reason why the device needs no battery supply other than that provided by the calculator. Power to the circuit (a modified form of Avramenko’s fork) is provided directly by the calculator allowing precise tuning by the operator.

Although the original circuit contained two diodes, the version in the Examiner makes use of resonance techniques and longitudinal wave coupling to boost the energy to a level necessary for long range detection. The human component is also an essential part of the design. Just as a tuning fork (or in this case Avramenko’s fork) has natural frequencies for sound, the planet Earth has natural frequencies, called Schumann resonances, and the human brain has natural frequencies for electromagnetic radiation. It is known that that the Earth’s Schumann resonances are "in tune" with the human brain’s alpha and theta states. But since the Schumann resonance is very low, at about 7.5Hz, the frequencies programmed via the calculator must be down-converted and fine-tuned for effective long-range location to take place. In addition, the Schumann resonance can fluctuate by + or – 0.5Hz depending on the properties of the Earth’s electromagnetic cavity.

The natural frequencies of the human brain are:

• • Beta waves (14 to 30Hz)
  • Alpha waves (8 to 13Hz)
  • Theta waves (4 to 7 Hz)
  • Delta waves (1 to 3Hz)

This explains the inclusion of adjustable elements in the fork / down-converter circuit.

Although the underlying operating principle is complex and difficult to explain, the demonstrable success of these devices has been shown on a number of occasions. Unfortunately LRLs rarely work out-of-the-box, and may need to become acclimatised to their owner over a period of time. Perseverance is the key to successful hunting with an LRL.

Now – how to build your own:

Any battery powered calculator can theoretically be used as the high frequency programmable source. In fact, the simple cheap makes usually work best, as these all tend to use the same type of calculator chip.

1. Construct the primary "coil" for the down-converter that provides coupling between the calculator chip and the modified fork circuit. This element is not as critical as the LRL manufacturers would have you believe, and constructing this element according to the figure below will ensure success.
   
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   The primary serpentine "coil" is 22.5mm x 10mm, and requires a coil diameter of between 0.5 and 0.6mm.
2. The telescopic aerial is a standard part, as its purpose is to couple the human operator to the Earth’s Schumann resonance.
3. The modified fork circuit is identical to that shown below:
   
   http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/a...tachmentid=409
4. That’s it! Simple really. There is no critical alignment required, except for the connection between the primary "coil" and the calculator. It is important that the end of the wire should protrude through the case, and terminate just below the calculator chip. In most calculators this chip is located near to the center of the unit.

Advanced LRL Detector Based On The Ionic Detection Concept

This advanced version is electronically-based and uses the so-called ionic-electrostatic phenomenon to provide long range directional detection of metal objects.

The full circuit details are not provided here, as the unit is still under heavy development. However, the block diagram of this unit is shown below:

http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/a...tachmentid=410

The IEP Biotronic System (codenamed Garreutto) consists of the following building blocks: Target Height Identification System, Identification Stabilizer, Amplifier, and Sample Chamber Amplifier Module.

A sample of the target metal must be placed in the substance chamber of the SCAM, where it undergoes a process of automatic calibration. The detector uses a physical phenomenon known as Ionic-Electrostatic B.S. to detect long-range targets. Although this unit is still experimental, it has been characterized as having a maximum range of 500m and depth of 50m, yet it only weighs 1kg including batteries.

More details to follow...

Very impressive way of stating the scientific facts.
Now this principal of detection appear to have some similarities to the use of radiestezic rods.
I use to practice radiestezic searches and was very good at it.
Now I need to know more about some of the odd science behind those fenomenons. If you could help please use my e-mail chaushev2004@yahoo.co.uk
It will be nice to have a chat about some "wichcraft" )))

All best
Georgi Chaushev
The Nexus Designer

[Siliquae_Sid]

There speaks the voice of a VERY clever man! The Nexus is a very capable and beautifully built machine, but why no push button retune facility Georgi or is that for the Mk II

[Unregistered]

Nexus

There speaks the voice of a VERY clever man! The Nexus is a very capable and beautifully built machine, but why no push button retune facility Georgi or is that for the Mk II

It does not require retune since it is stable enough.
How ever we should not discuss the Nexus on this tread. It will be better if you have any more questions to go to the Coils tread.
Cheers.

[Raque]

Any body who can give me a complete circuit and coil details specially the avramenko's fork circuit of the Ranger tell examiner for experiment purpose pls. My purpose is purely educational.

Raque