ionic metal detector

[hung]

Not true. I've actually gained mass since my marriage.

In a more serious vein, an ion is an atom that is not electrically neutral due to the loss/gain of one or more electrons, usually in their outermost shell.

If an atom ionizes by shedding an electron, it losses an infinitesimally small amount of mass, while if it ionizes by acquiring an excess electron, it gains an infinitesimally small amount of mass.

The loss or gain of those electrons is temporary. The ion will not stay in this energetic state and soon picks up free electrons, or sheds the excess ones, to achieve a lower energy state. This produces radiation (Fraunhoffer radiation) usually in the visible spectrum. In any case, the change in atomic weight is negligible, as is the mass of an electron compared to the atom's nucleus.




I asked the manner in which you were using the term ionic field and you give me a bunch of disconnected factoids from the Mineoro web site. Which none of them has anything to do with detecting gold.

Generated by continuous high tension positive or negative by sharp point. Normally around 800 to 900 volts. Other tensions are feasible.
I can see a hand held box creating this ionizing radiation, but how would buried gold accomplish the same?

- Ionic field by chemical flow in galvanization processes.
Gold is a noble metal. It doesn't take part in a galvanic process, unlike other more active metals like zinc.

- Other ionic fields generators for different purposes, so-called ionizators None of which would be found alongside buried gold.

I asked you for a simple explanation of this gold ionic field that is being detected and you throw mumbo jumbo back at me. Sorry Hung, but it doesn't wash.

If you read their reward statement which was sent to Carl and he made it public, you will find that Damasio mentions the inventors MIGHT disclose all the information of their discovery in the future.

So for now, what's in my post is all you need to know.
Besides what to expect from someone who does not even know how the electromagnetic fields interact in the case of Radionics?
And now hoping to discuss ionic fields detection from long time buried gold?
Naaahhhh....
Guess you better stick with what you know at this time.

[Rudy]

So for now, what's in my post is all you need to know.
Besides what to expect from someone who does not even know how the electromagnetic fields interact in the case of Radionics?
And now hoping to discuss ionic fields detection from long time buried gold?
Naaahhhh....
Guess you better stick with what you know at this time.

Spoken like a true charlatan.

Radionics, "the Voodoo doll of the modern age."

[Rudy]

Spoken like a true charlatan.

Radionics, "the Voodoo doll of the modern age."

For those interested in a complete explanation of the electromagnetic
field interactions in Radionics that Hung thinks so highly of, you can visit:
http://www.radionics.org/
and get a complete explanation of the innerworkings of the LRL equipment
you'd be paying good money for.

[Unregistered]

let say you have a (loop) coil.
your elctrik source is AC. but you use diod.
so you get one way current at loop which is not costant.
if you can omit opposite current at decays ,and make this at low frequency with powerfull waves,can you collecet positive and negatif ions around loop.
now apply this to earth.
north south fileds lines generally travels in ground with high density of flux than on earth surface.
when it crushes to diamagnetic substances and/or cavities needs to travel around it.
some of them has to be come up to surface and cause to increase of density at that spots(areas)
this will be powerfull source to pull ions on surface of earth than normal consantration flux areas.like magnet pulls iron .it will collect ions.
which ions ?
it is up to whaether and ionic properties of that region.

how is this rudy
maybe I can not give answer for weeks cause of job travel.

[hung]

let say you have a (loop) coil.
your elctrik source is AC. but you use diod.
so you get one way current at loop which is not costant.
if you can omit opposite current at decays ,and make this at low frequency with powerfull waves,can you collecet positive and negatif ions around loop.
now apply this to earth.
north south fileds lines generally travels in ground with high density of flux than on earth surface.
when it crushes to diamagnetic substances and/or cavities needs to travel around it.
some of them has to be come up to surface and cause to increase of density at that spots(areas)
this will be powerfull source to pull ions on surface of earth than normal consantration flux areas.like magnet pulls iron .it will collect ions.
which ions ?
it is up to whaether and ionic properties of that region.

how is this rudy
maybe I can not give answer for weeks cause of job travel.

Congratulations.
Altough there's still much more than that, your explanation in one post tells much more than all those made by skeptics so far.

[Rudy]

let say you have a (loop) coil.
your elctrik source is AC. but you use diod.
so you get one way current at loop which is not costant.
if you can omit opposite current at decays ,and make this at low frequency with powerfull waves,can you collecet positive and negatif ions around loop.
now apply this to earth.
north south fileds lines generally travels in ground with high density of flux than on earth surface.
when it crushes to diamagnetic substances and/or cavities needs to travel around it.
some of them has to be come up to surface and cause to increase of density at that spots(areas)
this will be powerfull source to pull ions on surface of earth than normal consantration flux areas.like magnet pulls iron .it will collect ions.
which ions ?
it is up to whaether and ionic properties of that region.

how is this rudy
maybe I can not give answer for weeks cause of job travel.

A scientific impossibility unfortunately.

Gold ions (assuming they are formed at all by the process you described), are not going to move from the body of gold (nugget, jewelry,...) and migrate to the surface.

Hung himself already agreed in a previous post on this thread that it is the "ionic field" and not the ions themselves that are being detected.

Unfortunately, he fails to scietifically explain how an electrostatic field created by stationary ionized atoms, can be detected at distances much greater than several atomic diameters away. His only explanation is "radionics".

I posted a link to the radionics page so everyone can see for themselves. It explains the pricinples in terms of magic and shammanism, with enough technical words sprinkled in to fool some people into thinking it could be real. It is pure manure.

[hung]

A scientific impossibility unfortunately.

Gold ions (assuming they are formed at all by the process you described), are not going to move from the body of gold (nugget, jewelry,...) and migrate to the surface.

Hung himself already agreed in a previous post on this thread that it is the "ionic field" and not the ions themselves that are being detected.

Unfortunately, he fails to scietifically explain how an electrostatic field created by stationary ionized atoms, can be detected at distances much greater than several atomic diameters away. His only explanation is "radionics".

I posted a link to the radionics page so everyone can see for themselves. It explains the pricinples in terms of magic and shammanism, with enough technical words sprinkled in to fool some people into thinking it could be real. It is pure manure.

No,no,no. You mistook what I said before and mixed them up in a bag of cats.

The Mineoro concept has nothing to do with radionics. I started a thread on radionics because of the description of the rangertell's device in their site.
I NEVER said ionic fields could be detected through radionics.

Anyway, your understanding of ions and ionic fields is incorrect as many related subjects which by the way are not vast, in the scientific 'academia' are also incomplete, maybe because of lack of deeper interest, maybe due to a strict and limited way of applying purposes.
I said I don't know what exactly Damasio and Alonso discovered about it which makes this so special and allowed them to build detectors which work beautifuly in this principle. I however have sufficient data which might or might not explain this, but I WILL never discuss this here as I would be contributing to break their scientific secrecy. If , and when, they decide to release the information, then all of this could be discussed.

What unregistered states opens a nice road to try to understand the phenomena, unlike you who blocked your knowledge with outdated concepts which deserves revision. Sorry.

[Esteban]

Here you can found about corrosion, electrostatic, ion mobility and more. (Ok, gold no present corrosion at the simple sight, but creates, as a conductive metal, an electric field around him.)

http://www.counteractrust.com.au/CounterAct%20rust%20prevention%20in%20mining%20&%20construction.htm

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About mobile ions:

http://www.innovation.wa.gov.au/Innovation/portal_skin%3BEnhanced/Innovation%20Directory/g/geochemistry_research_centre/mobile_metal_ion

http://www.mmigeochem.com/Wildcat310706.pdf

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From http://www.sciencewa.net.au/science_rd.asp?pg=111

"No-one is completely clear on exactly how the metal ions migrate to the surface. However, research and case studies over known ore-bodies have shown that mobile metal ions accumulate in surface soils above mineralization, indicating that the metals are derived from the mineralization source."


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So also gold ions can travel from high depth to the surface:

http://www.acnnewswire.net/press/en/34355/Field-Public-Relations.html

"Proto today announced that it had employed Mobile Metal Ion (MMI) technology to identify a 1600 metres-long gold anomaly in its first major exploration effort since listing on the ASX last week with the goal of finding the source of high grade surface gold at Tibooburra."

"MMI technology uses chemical processes and extremely sensitive instrumentation to identify ions (or atoms) of minerals which have risen to the land surface from underground mineral deposits."


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I understand that are moments with major fluctuations during this "travel" and with electronic sensitive instrument you can detect in the search area the umbalance. I do it with microvoltmeter with antenna and no doubt (for me) about the existence of a kind of field (as a battery) around buried for long time good conductive metals. NO DOUBT.


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From Zahori's article (translation by Qiaozhi):

[hung]

Here you can found about corrosion, electrostatic, ion mobility and more. (Ok, gold no present corrosion at the simple sight, but creates, as a conductive metal, an electric field around him.)

http://www.counteractrust.com.au/Cou...nstruction.htm


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About mobile ions:

http://www.innovation.wa.gov.au/Innovation/portal_skin%3BEnhanced/Innovation%20Directory/g/geochemistry_research_centre/mobile_metal_ion

http://www.mmigeochem.com/Wildcat310706.pdf

* * * * * * * * *


From http://www.sciencewa.net.au/science_rd.asp?pg=111

"No-one is completely clear on exactly how the metal ions migrate to the surface. However, research and case studies over known ore-bodies have shown that mobile metal ions accumulate in surface soils above mineralization, indicating that the metals are derived from the mineralization source."


* * * * * * * * *


So also gold ions can travel from high depth to the surface:

http://www.acnnewswire.net/press/en/34355/Field-Public-Relations.html

"Proto today announced that it had employed Mobile Metal Ion (MMI) technology to identify a 1600 metres-long gold anomaly in its first major exploration effort since listing on the ASX last week with the goal of finding the source of high grade surface gold at Tibooburra."

"MMI technology uses chemical processes and extremely sensitive instrumentation to identify ions (or atoms) of minerals which have risen to the land surface from underground mineral deposits."


* * * * * * * * *

I understand that are moments with major fluctuations during this "travel" and with electronic sensitive instrument you can detect in the search area the umbalance. I do it with microvoltmeter with antenna and no doubt (for me) about the existence of a kind of field (as a battery) around buried for long time good conductive metals. NO DOUBT.


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From Zahori's article (translation by Qiaozhi):

Thanks for your concern Esteban, you have a nice and brilliant restless mind, but I should point that Zahori only detects electric fields. Nothing else.

Also when you say NO DOUBT, yes there's no doubt about it, but some hard headed people here will still argue... Do you wanna bet?
Jeeezzz...

[Qiaozhi]

No,no,no. You mistook what I said before and mixed them up in a bag of cats.

The Mineoro concept has nothing to do with radionics. I started a thread on radionics because of the description of the rangertell's device in their site.
I NEVER said ionic fields could be detected through radionics.

Anyway, your understanding of ions and ionic fields is incorrect as many related subjects which by the way are not vast, in the scientific 'academia' are also incomplete, maybe because of lack of deeper interest, maybe due to a strict and limited way of applying purposes.
I said I don't know what exactly Damasio and Alonso discovered about it which makes this so special and allowed them to build detectors which work beautifuly in this principle. I however have sufficient data which might or might not explain this, but I WILL never discuss this here as I would be contributing to break their scientific secrecy. If , and when, they decide to release the information, then all of this could be discussed.

What unregistered states opens a nice road to try to understand the phenomena, unlike you who blocked your knowledge with outdated concepts which deserves revision. Sorry.

Why is this rubbish being discussed in the "Schematics" forum? :confused:
There appears to have been some (ionic?) leakage from the Remote Sensing section of this site.
So far I haven't even seen one schematic.

[Esteban]

Rubbish or not rubbish, remember that Shila start this thread the day 01-05-2006, and you had participation in it since first moment. So, is very later...

[Qiaozhi]

Rubbish or not rubbish, remember that Shila start this thread the day 01-05-2006, and you had participation in it since first moment. So, is very later...

That's true. I guess I'm as much to blame then... :o

But it's still in the wrong place.

[Esteban]

Ok, hope the Administrator move this thread.

[Rudy]

Thanks you Esteban for the interesting links you provided. I would love to discuss these further. But as has been noted, the discussion doesn't belong on this board. Maybe it can be moved to the proper board?

[Sean_Goddard]

[quote=hung;39922]Yes. Ionic detection works and the Mineoro detectors do detect the gold ions.
All matter degrades with time and releases ions as they do.

Ions are modified atoms. When the atom loses electrons or gains electrons in this process of electron exchange, it is said to be IONIZED. For ionization to take place, there must be a transfer of energy which results in a change in the internal energy of the atom. Earth acts like this. An atom having more than its normal amount of electrons acquires a negative charge, and is called a NEGATIVE ION. The atom that gives up some of its normal electrons is left with less negative charges than positive charges and is called a POSITIVE ION.




ERM... GOLD DOES NOT DECAY that's why it is found in it's NATURAL state in the ground.. MILLIONS of years old DUH!!. Iron decays (rust) Aluminium decays to become bauxite , Copper, silver, etc, etc. Ah perhaps you are looking for the ADSENCE of gold ions, AH I see it now, another cop out in the genuine explanation, oh well NVM at least I saw through the psuedo scisnce in time. and just HOW do these target substances produce ionised particles anyhow? PLEASE TELL US how these ions are produced, I want the exact process please, becasue I'm having difficulty in working out how it happens.

Go make an ioniser, only a lightning strike NOT the natural CHEMICAL decay of metallic material could produce ions, and as the rain (usually goes with lightning) is supposed to "dampen" 'scuse the pun the ionic field, then this is another inconsistency I think.