Zahori

[Morgan]

The Ionic Chamber

Morgan... Morgan... be a good boy!!!

OK,only the IONIC CHAMBERS for Zahory is TOP SECRET...

[Fred]

There is alway something top secret so failure in making it to work can be explained or to avoid conception proofs

[nelson]

Esteban por que tanto misterio en esto de los detectores a larga distancia. Sobre todo si estamos todos unidos en un mismo fin, que es experimentar y armar nuestros propios equipos de detección.
Con todo respeto, yo preferiría que no se hablara mas del tema aquí en el foro, ya que nos dejan con sabores amargos al hacernos construir cosas que nunca funcionan, especialmente cuando les falta una parte importante del circuito.
Personalmente no armo detectores para vender, si no que solo lo hago por hobbie, ya que me encanta buscar entierros y esas cosas. Entonces cuando nos ilucionan con un proyecto (zahorie) y luego se filtra que ese equipo nunca funcionará si no tiene tal o cual cosa. He solicitado al igual que muchos, nos faciliten diagramas para tambien poder experimentar, pero al fin y al cabo, nada de eso ocurre.
Estimado esteban, espero comprendas mi punto de vista, ya que también recibi un mensaje de Morgan, donde me dice que para entrar en esto, primero debo pedir a Carl que me proponga para un foro privado de LRL. La verdad es que no entiendo nada, en especial cuando el mismo
Carl no cree en estas cosas y ahora según entiendo debo pedir a el para que me voten en un foro privado si puedo o no participar en el.
Atte.
Nelson

Morgan... Morgan... be a good boy!!!

[Fred]

Nelson,
No te preocupes, hiciemos este foro privado donde teoricamente se podria divulgar todos los detalles de los LRL, pero no se enseño ni se aprendio más do que aqui.
Quisas el truco es no saber como hacerlo funcionar...

[Morgan]

O PISTOLDETEKTOR

Nelson,
No te preocupes, hiciemos este foro privado donde teoricamente se podria divulgar todos los detalles de los LRL, pero no se enseño ni se aprendio más do que aqui.
Quisas el truco es no saber como hacerlo funcionar...

Olá Fred

Não é bem assim... Os mais esforçados conseguiram resultados,mas os menos crentes em LRL abandonaram o projeto,e preferem umilhar os que dizem ter concluido com exito.

[Fred]

Olá Fred

Não é bem assim... Os mais esforçados conseguiram resultados,mas os menos crentes em LRL abandonaram o projeto,e preferem umilhar os que dizem ter concluido com exito.

Ola Morgan,
Eu pessoalmente não estou a criticar ninguém, simplesmente a explicar que ninguém ensinou com clareza como construir o aparelho, que o forum privado não ajudou nisso e que quando alguem tem duvidas tecnicas aparecem "moderadores" inesperados.
Nunca disse que duvido daqueles que dizem ter exito, nem do facto de poder (ou não) haver um fenomeno desconhecido, mas sim e desde o principio do meu desagrado por este pseudo-secretismo pseudo-privado.

[detectoman]

the problem are all the negociantes what take easy for they for lucrar whit efforce of others
the lrls is one group of people of hope, humbdle and simple, exist people whitout scurpules, people only go to money
so in not easy we like to give to public our most grear treasures
but who experiment have the exit for own efforces
thanks to morgan and esteban

[Geo]

the problem are all the negociantes what take easy for they for lucrar whit efforce of others
the lrls is one group of people of hope, humbdle and simple, exist people whitout scurpules, people only go to money
so in not easy we like to give to public our most grear treasures
but who experiment have the exit for own efforces
thanks to morgan and esteban

Hi detectionman
OK you thanks Morgan and Esteban, but what about all us???
I can't understand any other languange!!!! No spain, no France no portogale ....
so please can you reply in English????
Thank you
regards

[Fred]

Hi detectionman
OK you thanks Morgan and Esteban, but what about all us???
I can't understand any other languange!!!! No spain, no France no portogale ....
so please can you reply in English????
Thank you
regards

Personally i was just saying that i was not calling anyone liar just that the private forum didn´t help anyone with real info to make a good LRL, and that i was tired of the "secret ingredient" excuse.
It was a private forum , so the excuse of "comercial spies" doesn´t hold.

[Esteban]

Hi Nelson

I know you since many years. No problem for to be part of RS forum.

No falta ningún circuito, sino disposición especial en la antena.

Regards

Esteban

Esteban por que tanto misterio en esto de los detectores a larga distancia. Sobre todo si estamos todos unidos en un mismo fin, que es experimentar y armar nuestros propios equipos de detección.
Con todo respeto, yo preferiría que no se hablara mas del tema aquí en el foro, ya que nos dejan con sabores amargos al hacernos construir cosas que nunca funcionan, especialmente cuando les falta una parte importante del circuito.
Personalmente no armo detectores para vender, si no que solo lo hago por hobbie, ya que me encanta buscar entierros y esas cosas. Entonces cuando nos ilucionan con un proyecto (zahorie) y luego se filtra que ese equipo nunca funcionará si no tiene tal o cual cosa. He solicitado al igual que muchos, nos faciliten diagramas para tambien poder experimentar, pero al fin y al cabo, nada de eso ocurre.
Estimado esteban, espero comprendas mi punto de vista, ya que también recibi un mensaje de Morgan, donde me dice que para entrar en esto, primero debo pedir a Carl que me proponga para un foro privado de LRL. La verdad es que no entiendo nada, en especial cuando el mismo
Carl no cree en estas cosas y ahora según entiendo debo pedir a el para que me voten en un foro privado si puedo o no participar en el.
Atte.
Nelson

[Esteban]

No need extra amplificative circuit. But yes, no contact via "normal" cap. between antenna and pin 3 because if you connect the capacitor you catch all type of interferences. This example can be a good point for to understand why direct contact is bad. Here there are maybe only 1 pf. And for to understand that you must ellaborate your own sensors.

Zahori works, no a fake, and as I repeat 1,000 times, no needs the switch and other potentiometers wich causes confussion, only one control, can be the 10 K pot. or the volume 22 K in original schematic. No connection pin 9 of 4066 to ground

Also we assure the detection via magnetic loop + Zahori = 2 detectors. Because Zahori is for electric portion.

Also I post image of isolation of three antennas via fiberglass pieces.

But you follow other way... hear other bell...

[nelson]

Thanks Esteban for your information and i hope you understand my point of view, cause i really have a big respect for all friends here on the forum, that everyday teach me about my hobbie and how detectors works. Long Range detectors really fascinate me, but with my poor electronics knowlegment is very litle of what i can do. bout antenas, may be i can help much more than with the circuit, cause i own a hamradio licence since 1982.
Has a ham, i use to design and experiment with antennas, so if i contribute with the antenna , don´t hesitate to write me.
Regards
Nelson

Hi Nelson

I know you since many years. No problem for to be part of RS forum.

No falta ningún circuito, sino disposición especial en la antena.

Regards

Esteban

[ivconic]

No need extra amplificative circuit. But yes, no contact via "normal" cap. between antenna and pin 3 because if you connect the capacitor you catch all type of interferences. This example can be a good point for to understand why direct contact is bad. Here there are maybe only 1 pf. And for to understand that you must ellaborate your own sensors.

Zahori works, no a fake, and as I repeat 1,000 times, no needs the switch and other potentiometers wich causes confussion, only one control, can be the 10 K pot. or the volume 22 K in original schematic. No connection pin 9 of 4066 to ground

Also we assure the detection via magnetic loop + Zahori = 2 detectors. Because Zahori is for electric portion.

Also I post image of isolation of three antennas via fiberglass pieces.

But you follow other way... hear other bell...

Esteban, the way you described it - it is still capacitive coupling. So, maybe replacing 20pF with some smaller capacitance will do the job also?
Regards

[Fred]

Esteban, the way you described it - it is still capacitive coupling. So, maybe replacing 20pF with some smaller capacitance will do the job also?
Regards

Or better yet, this adjutsable caps :

[Max]

Esteban, the way you described it - it is still capacitive coupling. So, maybe replacing 20pF with some smaller capacitance will do the job also?
Regards

Hi Ivconic,
yes I noticed that too. 1pF still capacitive.

But I think Esteban talk of something different maybe (hope he will answer about) like that capacitor must be small in value and not "common".

Where for not common he could maybe mean that must have some special feature like e.g. ultrastable capacitance...

Do you remember old vacuum variable capacitors found in old military radio equipment ? Some can go at around 1pF values and stay VERY stable cause temperature and other external variations have very little impact on params.

Also, I think he mean special cap required must have hi-voltage rating, but that are all my assumptions based on what he reported about the ca3130 burnt by a treasure "energy field" detection.

Esteban , what about that stuff ? It's a special cap , isn't it ?

Kind regards,
Max