Zahori

[michael]

What I found out was; every disturbance in field induced signal; with bare hand weak signal, with coin stronger and with a magnet the most strong (from a fixed distance).
maybe metal in hand collects most body field around.
of course when we turned on cell phone or switched on an off device induced signal.

[detectoman]

felicitaciones a quienes diseñan el nuevo zahori

quiero felicitar a ivconic y a esteban y a todos los que investigan acerca de modificar el zahori , y estoy seguro de que obtendran mejores logros, estoy muy entusiasmado en este que considero es el mas increible detector practico que haya sido inventado, claro esta aun esta en desarrollo, pero le veo mucho futuro" en cuanto al mineoro creo que puede ser rebasado por este zahori ya que es discutido entre todos
yo creo que cualquier detector que intente ser impulsados sus emisiones a distancia precisa de una parabola de lanzamiento de su señal por rechazo de energia contraria
lo demas solo se podra conseguir en base a seleccion
my congratulationes esteban and ivconics

from mejico"
detectoman

[Esteban]

Some experiments demonstrates that the buried metal can produces negative or positive charges. If the environment is positive in a particular day, the metal becomes negative. If negative, the metal acquires positive charge. This is the "reason" why is important to detect the rapid variation in the site of the buried metal, positive or negative, and as the article refers (translate in English by Qiaozhi in this thread, read it!!!), Zahori detects the most minimum umbalance of charges, positive or negative. The article also refers that is possible to detect various kinds of fields, not only the AC fields, in theory also radiactivity. Buried metal for long time contain a quantity of energy. The oscillator based on the 555 justly despolarize the antenna in the supossed case it acquires nocive charges for the detection.

[ivconic]

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Detectoman le agradece por felicitaciones. Pero sobre todo era persistencia de Estebans. Yo… Acabo de agregar algunas extremidades en él. Es dispositivo agradable para detectar algunas cargas eléctricas. Pero demostró hasta ahora no ninguna detección del metal. Veré en futuro. Quizá él necesidad algunas modificaciones más.
Respeto

[michael]

Hi to all. I fulfilled the zahori and took it for some test and searchings.
at first it's necessary for me thank to Esteban for his helps and favors to me, in fact without his meekly leadings I never could experience such a detector.
the results were;
1- it detects every electronic line or field very well.
with medium sensitivity it has no reaction for an off light ,but when turn it on gives signal at least from 4 meters. and detects a refrigerator plugged in switch from 6 meters.
2- In remote areas without any kind of manmade field, if you set in medium sens, works very stably and you can sweep very fast.
we swept many places that couldn't do by yesterday.
but by increasing sens will have many signals. the best length of antenna was 50-60 Cm. the best way to find out for best set is similar to mineoro by touching the antenna and hearing beeps then can adjust by sens and threshold volums.
I must confess that it was first time experienced such a reliable remote sensor.
we can call it a Conventional RS.
of course we found no metal object everywhere. Even when took it for our buried test target(60 cm x 40 cm x 30 cm metal box full of iron in 3 meters depth) never gave beep.
Only in one place (very near a big stone) we had suspicious beeps for every time and from every side we had a different singnal there. may be was from under the stone.
here was the place we had searched it befor by our PI but had no signal .
3- we had no signal for every kind of flowing water.in river or rivulet.
It's limitations:
1- It will be affected by wind seriously. in windy day working is impossible.(especially when wind speed is 30km/h and more)
2- even when you set in medium sens, you should stop and move device when walk or step, gives beep. the way is step, stop then move it and this reduce your speed, unless you search by low sens. I guess if it's able to detect a big long buried object, maximum distance won't be longer than 10 meters.
This 2 limitations worried me about mineoro LDLs; If those have such limitations?
Hung, Esteban, Mosha and others who have experienced mineoro, please inform me yes or no?
Can we tell Zahori is a shadow of mineoro?
By the way I have a short Wmv file of how zahori works. If anybody desire, I will send it for.

[mosha]

Zahori is a shadow of mineoro

Hi to all. I fulfilled the zahori and took it for some test and searchings.
at first it's necessary for me thank to Esteban for his helps and favors to me, in fact without his meekly leadings I never could experience such a detector.
the results were;
1- it detects every electronic line or field very well.
with medium sensitivity it has no reaction for an off light ,but when turn it on gives signal at least from 4 meters. and detects a refrigerator plugged in switch from 6 meters.
2- In remote areas without any kind of manmade field, if you set in medium sens, works very stably and you can sweep very fast.
we swept many places that couldn't do by yesterday.
but by increasing sens will have many signals. the best length of antenna was 50-60 Cm. the best way to find out for best set is similar to mineoro by touching the antenna and hearing beeps then can adjust by sens and threshold volums.
I must confess that it was first time experienced such a reliable remote sensor.
we can call it a Conventional RS.
of course we found no metal object everywhere. Even when took it for our buried test target(60 cm x 40 cm x 30 cm metal box full of iron in 3 meters depth) never gave beep.
Only in one place (very near a big stone) we had suspicious beeps for every time and from every side we had a different singnal there. may be was from under the stone.
here was the place we had searched it befor by our PI but had no signal .
3- we had no signal for every kind of flowing water.in river or rivulet.
It's limitations:
1- It will be affected by wind seriously. in windy day working is impossible.(especially when wind speed is 30km/h and more)
2- even when you set in medium sens, you should stop and move device when walk or step, gives beep. the way is step, stop then move it and this reduce your speed, unless you search by low sens. I guess if it's able to detect a big long buried object, maximum distance won't be longer than 10 meters.
This 2 limitations worried me about mineoro LDLs; If those have such limitations?
Hung, Esteban, Mosha and others who have experienced mineoro, please inform me yes or no?
Can we tell Zahori is a shadow of mineoro?
By the way I have a short Wmv file of how zahori works. If anybody desire, I will send it for.

mineoro also affected by wind.
mineoro has positive ion emmiter circuit and square antenna.

[michael]

mineoro also affected by wind.

Thank you Mosha, it's an unfortunate for mineoro. Do you mean in every wind speed?
It's queer they don't state anything about wind effect on their instruments in "Technical Inform" column in their site!!!
But, what about walking with it? can you easily walk, wave device left to right & VS and go ahead without any noise whereas sens is in medium ?

mineoro has positive ion emmiter circuit and square antenna.

What do you mean ? please explain more.

[mosha]

I have no problem with walking and waving it right & lift, but waving up & down sometimes it beebs and need adjust the tuning.


the champer of mineoro emit positive ions and I dont think it is act as antenna, the antenna is a square frame around pcb.

[hung]

mineoro also affected by wind.

No. It's not!

If that was the case, I could never use it inside my car with windows open, which I do with no problems.
Sometimes in the beach if the wind is realy strong it can emit occasional beeps ONLY IF IT'S TUNED TO MAX SENS. This due to electrostatics and salinization, but nothing that will avoid detection.
Again, the only limiting factors to detection is high humidity and low ionic fields. That's all.

According to Michael's description of Zahori behavior, although it works employing electrical field detection, the Mineoros are eons ahead this detector in terms of effectiveness and the Zahori lacks the main feature. The ionic chamber concept and essential info to be able to classify the gold ion.

[mosha]

wind

the wind affect electrostatic phenomena, which is not the same case when your search in your car.

mineoro dosen't detect gold ions, mineoro detect earth battery, and beacuse gold dosen't corrosion, it act as earth battery almost for good, that why mineoro only detect gold.

[ivconic]

Good news!


Michael , finally you did a good job. You should done this before, to have simillar experiences
than to be conversant to argue here on these threads about many stuff. Congratulations on your
design!Looks very pro and nice, your device. My experiences with Zahori on the field are exactly
the same as yours which give us full right to claim some conclusions here....
"1- it detects every electronic line or field very well."
Yes it is true.Sad fact is that it can only detect just AC e fields and nothing else SAME AS
MINEORO ! It is fact! I do not need to repeat here all of my experiences with both devices so
far.

Mosha: "mineoro also affected by wind.
mineoro has positive ion emmiter circuit and square antenna."
Again true! Mineoro manufacturers followed the very same logic i followed when designed Ivconic
negative ionic detector by applying "positive ion emmiter" (if there is any???) in Mineoro case,
and positive coupled dish in "ivconic negative ionic detector" case.
My logic was to try to detract any random positive ion arround the device and just to attract
negative ions to telescope area....
But at the end (in both cases) it showed as very unsuccesfull logic, cose both devices doesnt
detect metal....any kind of it. Both are very sensitive to AC e field and its sources...

"Mineoros are eons ahead this detector in terms of effectiveness and the Zahori lacks the
main feature. The ionic chamber concept and essential info to be able to classify the gold
ion."
Again very aggressive advertisment for Mineoro....I dont think so Hung! Michael checked Zahori and
i did that, and we have same experiences. You have Mineoro and i had 2 devices from them but our
experiences are much different? Why? How come that Mineoro works perfect for you and not for me
and many other people here??? What makes you lucky one and rest of us ignorants???
Mineoro is not "eons" ahead! Mineoro is "mummblejumbled" Zahori look-like device and nothing
else! Man can not detect nothing with both devices ....period!
Michael is coming to awake finally and it is very good for his budget! Michael you gonna save a lot
of money realizing real truth!
As you said, you have very good PI. Keep using it, sooner or later it will return all money
invested in it. I do have several PI's and i am very satisfied with those.
Those rare ocassional beeps you gained from your Zahori are from differential ground conditions
you meet ocassionally.....Earth static....etc...
Go visit some ULF site...many explanations there....
I do not want to start new argue on old subject. No not at all!
I am just glad to see that some things becomes much brighter lately!
Best regards!

[hung]

Mosha: I already used the FG80 with strong winds. No problem. Damasio told me he used his detector with wind speeds of more than 60 Km/hour. No problem.

Now the good news for you: I talked to Damasio this afternoon and all owners of pre new series are in the list to be given a new replacement model , in your case, the DC2007. Contact Mineoro ASAP.

Again, detectors like DC2007, early GDPs and GDMs, had component problems due to bad manufacturing. Only the DC 2008 and FGs have reliable components. Maybe your DC2007 is in the case above. Don't worry you will get a new detector.

Ivconic: Do you think Damasio and Alonso are not aware of every single detector on earth? Think again.
Damasio told me this afternoon he already built several, several Zahoris in the past. Models with 2, 3 even 4 antennas. Used CA 3140 and its variations.
Zahori is just an electrostatic field detector. THAT'S ALL.

Comparing this unit with the FG80 for instance? C'mon, give me a break!
Bear in mind the ionic phenomena and its variations have been studied by the two gentleman above for almost 50 years! Nothing is new to them. Only their achievements.
Everything you or others say about the Mineoros are just especulation. You don't know the device.
Sorry.

[Esteban]

Those rare ocassional beeps you gained from your Zahori are from differential ground conditions you meet ocassionally.....Earth static....etc...

Ivconic: Walk in other direction and return in the area where you obtain the beeps. If you pick other, check very well the area AROUND the beep. You require experience for to recognize spontaneous potential on Earth and target electric - ion field.

Michael: Very good job!!! Good luck!!! Insist more and check well.

I and others can't compare the Zahori with Mineoro's devices. Mineoro's machines are ellaborate product, Zahori is a begining for experiment.

[michael]

Mosha: I already used the FG80 with strong winds. No problem. Damasio told me he used his detector with wind speeds of more than 60 Km/hour. No problem.

very good news if be so.

detectors like DC2007, early GDPs and GDMs, had component problems due to bad manufacturing. Only the DC 2008 and FGs have reliable components.

if it's so, it is good news, then won't be any whine and groan of users.
I hope and wish never happen this for new models and users. Anyway people like as Ivconic are right due to the past problems in mineoro machines.

Ivconic: Do you think Damasio and Alonso are not aware of every single detector on earth? Think again.
Damasio told me this afternoon he already built several, several Zahoris in the past. Models with 2, 3 even 4 antennas. Used CA 3140 and its variations.
Zahori is just an electrostatic field detector. THAT'S ALL.

This was the same affair I was thinking about. although I invested about total 100 $ for both 1 & 3 antennas and prepared the Esteban PCB for 3 antenna, I gave up continuing to fulfill it.

[ivconic]

Maybe...


"Everything you or others say about the Mineoros are just especulation. You don't know the device.
Sorry."

"Sorry" is all mine...I do not especulate at all. I had 2 devices in the past. Now i am having FG78 on test for 2 weeks again....So many times checked, disected....Every part of it checked electronically......What to say? I do know very well what to claim here....But...never mind,who want to listen and beleive - welcome ...others i do not mind...think whatever you want to think...Your money is all your...

"Walk in other direction and return in the area where you obtain the beeps. If you pick other,
check very well the area AROUND the beep. You require experience for to recognize spontaneous
potential on Earth and target electric - ion field."

Thanks Esteban.I intend to experiment more with it for sure.I'll listen your hints and i'll try that way....


"I and others can't compare the Zahori with Mineoro's devices. Mineoro's machines are ellaborate product, Zahori is a begining for experiment."


I do not know what was initial idea with Mineoro but for Zahori i am sure:
Zahori is ment to be very useable apparatus in industry, when checking AC leakage....

I am very interested to find out if there is any natural phenomena that burried pile of metal (any kind) for a longer time can produce AC charge...in that case i am very sure we can use Zahori to detect it....It will need much more experiments....So far it showed none of detection in that way....I am sorry...
regards