Zahori

[michael]

Hello Michael Nice to see you here. You are absolutly right about PD performance. About the Zahori we are making experiments with diferent antenna,we are using SAMPLE,i cant say it works as LRL,but some people have built and said IT WORKSas LRL for large cash hoards. In my field test not detect the buried gold medalion,but this is so small as single coinRegards

Hi Morgan.Thank you, and me too.OK, When you with confidence tell it works , it's more reliable as I know you're serious in your work and projects.Do you have any info of your friends founds with this ZB? what's their experiences type?e.g. for a remote location have got signals in various times in different days?(The best conditions for this location are to be very far from any human made appliances and even be free of junk metals).of course Mehdi comments are appreciable but not strong cos he hasn't got repeatable results.we can assume it one "by accident hit" unless prove the reverse. especially when notice on this part of his comment: " found about i inch coin at depth of about 10 - 15cm underground. but my zahori sound at that point yet and i dont know why?!! "

[Morgan]

Zahori Brother

Hi Morgan.Thank you, and me too.OK, When you with confidence tell it works , it's more reliable as I know you're serious in your work and projects.Do you have any info of your friends founds with this ZB? what's their experiences type?e.g. for a remote location have got signals in various times in different days?(The best conditions for this location are to be very far from any human made appliances and even be free of junk metals).of course Mehdi comments are appreciable but not strong cos he hasn't got repeatable results.we can assume it one "by accident hit" unless prove the reverse. especially when notice on this part of his comment: " found about i inch coin at depth of about 10 - 15cm underground. but my zahori sound at that point yet and i dont know why?!! "

Hi Michael

One of ZB user found one silver box with jewelry buried in old house yard (garden ? ) he said ZB start the sounds at 50 meters,he folow direction and use the ZB pointed to ground to understand where it comes the signal,and of course with metal detector he found the box only 40 cm deep,material was from the 18 century. The other one found one gold cache,more than 1 Kg of coins in a remote place like a forest,distance was 80 meters,i not remember the deep,he told only with Pulse Induction large coil he get the pinpoint of the cache. Both of them said after remove the treasures ZB not give more signals. Should i believe in this stories ???Well i need to rebuild my ZB and go to the fields

Regards

[Morgan]

ZB

Hi Morgan.Thank you, and me too.OK, When you with confidence tell it works , it's more reliable as I know you're serious in your work and projects.Do you have any info of your friends founds with this ZB? what's their experiences type?e.g. for a remote location have got signals in various times in different days?(The best conditions for this location are to be very far from any human made appliances and even be free of junk metals).of course Mehdi comments are appreciable but not strong cos he hasn't got repeatable results.we can assume it one "by accident hit" unless prove the reverse. especially when notice on this part of his comment: " found about i inch coin at depth of about 10 - 15cm underground. but my zahori sound at that point yet and i dont know why?!! "

All of ZB builders told this LRL is not good to find small objects. Except Mehdi told diferent story.

[Morgan]

ZB

Hi morgan
0.6mm !!

all the best
mehdi

Thank you.

[J_Player]

Hi Morgan.Thank you, and me too.OK, When you with confidence tell it works , it's more reliable as I know you're serious in your work and projects.Do you have any info of your friends founds with this ZB? what's their experiences type?e.g. for a remote location have got signals in various times in different days?(The best conditions for this location are to be very far from any human made appliances and even be free of junk metals).of course Mehdi comments are appreciable but not strong cos he hasn't got repeatable results.we can assume it one "by accident hit" unless prove the reverse. especially when notice on this part of his comment: " found about i inch coin at depth of about 10 - 15cm underground. but my zahori sound at that point yet and i dont know why?!! "

The zahori detects variations in electric charge in the air. From what we see in testing this charge can come from alternating voltages near power lines, or from high voltage DC sources, or simply variations in the charge at the air that is in front of the zahori. In conditions where we are far away from man-made power, the only source of charge will be the atmospheric charge of 100-200 volts per meter as we move upward, and possible staticly charged objects on the ground or suspended in the air, like dust particles. It is also possible to have a charge in the ground, but any local ground charge will not be more than a few volts, which will be invisible compared to the 100+ volts in the air above it.

The air charge is also seen as a gradient starting at ground potential and increasing as we move upward. This would tell us that an anomaly can be seen by moving the zahori from the ground to a meter or two above the ground quickly. Or if there is a metal pipe in the ground standing vertically, we can expect to detect this pipe when making a horizontal sweep across the pipe. This is because the pipe will cause an anomaly which raises the ground potential from the ground to the top of the pipe, So we expect to see the 100 volts of air charge measured 1 meter above the ground to change to 0v when we check the charge near the pipe.

But why would a zahori show a charge anomaly in the air above a buried treasure?
One theory is rooted in the same atmospheric air charge which we know is powered by solar wind. We know electrons are slowly leaking from the ground into the air and finding their way upward to the ionosphere. This happens in very tiny amounts which have been measured to be an average of 6000 amps of current flow over the entire world at any one time. When we look at the surface of the earth, we see that there is only 11.76 nA leaking from any 1 sq meter of ground on average. This is not much to measure. But then we are not measuring the total current flowing. The zahori measures the charge, not the current.

The second part of this theory is based on the fact that the current leaking from the earth is not uniform. We know the areas of sunlight have more activity than the dark side of the earth. And there are weather conditions that cause major changes in the current leaking and the charge seen in the air near the ground. During a storm, the air charge can change dramatically, and even become negative. It is during thunderstorms when lightning replenishes the earth's negative charge to allow further leakage of electrons in other parts of the earth that are not having storms. There are also areas of underground electric currents called telluric currents, which can be measured to be stronger in some locations than others. We find the ground is also more conductive in some areas than others. As a result, lightning tends to favor certain locations when it strikes. We see the example of the lightning rod, which could be a simple pipe placed in the ground to raise the height of the ground location.

While these telluric currents and conductive ground areas are not detectable with a charge detector such as the zahori, variations in the air charge above them is. The theory is that more current will leak from the ground to the air at a location where the ground is more conductive. Let's imagine a desert with a layer of dry sand for 1 meter depth which has a small area where an iron sword was dropped, and rusted during rainstorms to leave particles of iron and rust after many years. We could expect this area of dry sand to be more conductive than the surrounding sand. And according to the theory, electrons would tend to flow more easily in this conductive area than in the surrounding areas which are a better insulator. We might expect more electrons to leak into the air above this rusty patch of ground. Maybe the amount of difference is not much, but in theory, it could be seen as maybe double or more current leaking into the air. If this is happening, then we would also expect the air charge to show a large anomaly in charge above this more conductive ground. If any of this theory is true, then I would expect the air charge anomaly to be most easily detected on days of low humidity, and in areas far away from electronic noise in the air. I would also expect to see it in places where the ground is uniform and fairly dry at the surface.

In many sandy locations, we see a layer of dry sand at the surface, with damp ground below. In these conditions, the depth at which we find the damp ground can change a lot depending on where you dig. This is another way you could get false signals from a zahori charge detector. You can get beeps from a zahori when you walk to a location where the depth of the damp soil is closer or farther away from the surface. If you walk over ground where the damp soil depth is closer to the surface, then you can expect to hear some beeping. So you dig to see what you found and it is an empty hole. You could not know you found shallow dampness unless you dig a lot of holes to see you detected a higher moisture level. Maybe this is why the first Zahori article described it as a detector to find water.

These are the reasons why I consider the Zahori to be a poor detector of treasures, but maybe useful for locating water if the atmospheric and ground conditions are favorable.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Morgan]

ZB

The zahori detects variations in electric charge in the air. From what we see in testing this charge can come from alternating voltages near power lines, or from high voltage DC sources, or simply variations in the charge at the air that is in front of the zahori. In conditions where we are far away from man-made power, the only source of charge will be the atmospheric charge of 100-200 volts per meter as we move upward, and possible staticly charged objects on the ground or suspended in the air, like dust particles. It is also possible to have a charge in the ground, but any local ground charge will not be more than a few volts, which will be invisible compared to the 100+ volts in the air above it.

The air charge is also seen as a gradient starting at ground potential and increasing as we move upward. This would tell us that an anomaly can be seen by moving the zahori from the ground to a meter or two above the ground quickly. Or if there is a metal pipe in the ground standing vertically, we can expect to detect this pipe when making a horizontal sweep across the pipe. This is because the pipe will cause an anomaly which raises the ground potential from the ground to the top of the pipe, So we expect to see the 100 volts of air charge measured 1 meter above the ground to change to 0v when we check the charge near the pipe.

But why would a zahori show a charge anomaly in the air above a buried treasure?
One theory is rooted in the same atmospheric air charge which we know is powered by solar wind. We know electrons are slowly leaking from the ground into the air and finding their way upward to the ionosphere. This happens in very tiny amounts which have been measured to be an average of 6000 amps of current flow over the entire world at any one time. When we look at the surface of the earth, we see that there is only 11.76 nA leaking from any 1 sq meter of ground on average. This is not much to measure. But then we are not measuring the total current flowing. The zahori measures the charge, not the current.

The second part of this theory is based on the fact that the current leaking from the earth is not uniform. We know the areas of sunlight have more activity than the dark side of the earth. And there are weather conditions that cause major changes in the current leaking and the charge seen in the air near the ground. During a storm, the air charge can change dramatically, and even become negative. It is during thunderstorms when lightning replenishes the earth's negative charge to allow further leakage of electrons in other parts of the earth that are not having storms. There are also areas of underground electric currents called telluric currents, which can be measured to be stronger in some locations than others. We find the ground is also more conductive in some areas than others. As a result, lightning tends to favor certain locations when it strikes. We see the example of the lightning rod, which could be a simple pipe placed in the ground to raise the height of the ground location.

While these telluric currents and conductive ground areas are not detectable with a charge detector such as the zahori, variations in the air charge above them is. The theory is that more current will leak from the ground to the air at a location where the ground is more conductive. Let's imagine a desert with a layer of dry sand for 1 meter depth which has a small area where an iron sword was dropped, and rusted during rainstorms to leave particles of iron and rust after many years. We could expect this area of dry sand to be more conductive than the surrounding sand. And according to the theory, electrons would tend to flow more easily in this conductive area than in the surrounding areas which are a better insulator. We might expect more electrons to leak into the air above this rusty patch of ground. Maybe the amount of difference is not much, but in theory, it could be seen as maybe double or more current leaking into the air. If this is happening, then we would also expect the air charge to show a large anomaly in charge above this more conductive ground. If any of this theory is true, then I would expect the air charge anomaly to be most easily detected on days of low humidity, and in areas far away from electronic noise in the air. I would also expect to see it in places where the ground is uniform and fairly dry at the surface.

In many sandy locations, we see a layer of dry sand at the surface, with damp ground below. In these conditions, the depth at which we find the damp ground can change a lot depending on where you dig. This is another way you could get false signals from a zahori charge detector. You can get beeps from a zahori when you walk to a location where the depth of the damp soil is closer or farther away from the surface. If you walk over ground where the damp soil depth is closer to the surface, then you can expect to hear some beeping. So you dig to see what you found and it is an empty hole. You could not know you found shallow dampness unless you dig a lot of holes to see you detected a higher moisture level. Maybe this is why the first Zahori article described it as a detector to find water.

These are the reasons why I consider the Zahori to be a poor detector of treasures, but maybe useful for locating water if the atmospheric and ground conditions are favorable.

Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P

Thanks for all your explanations about ZAHORI. I also believe that all the ground above conductive metal(treasures) produce diference in air voltage,and as result the ZAHORI or ZB can locate this spot.
About the ZB,if well constructed according my instructions,not produce any false signals on trees ,rocks,what can make it sounds is the power lines or any kind of electrical sources at home.
The ZB is so quiet in the fields that most of people said NOT WORK,of course is boring to walk two hours in the field with NO SIGNALS,so beter make ZB very light

Regards

[J_Player]

Hi J_P

Thanks for all your explanations about ZAHORI. I also believe that all the ground above conductive metal(treasures) produce diference in air voltage,and as result the ZAHORI or ZB can locate this spot.
About the ZB,if well constructed according my instructions,not produce any false signals on trees ,rocks,what can make it sounds is the power lines or any kind of electrical sources at home.
The ZB is so quiet in the fields that most of people said NOT WORK,of course is boring to walk two hours in the field with NO SIGNALS,so beter make ZB very light

Regards

Hi Morgan,
It is possible there are voltage charges in the air caused by buried metals. But nobody has confirmed this. If it is true, then these charges are easily confused with charges in the air from different causes than buried metals. One of the most likely other causes of charges is the conductivity of the ground and anomalies in ground moisture. This is why the Zahori may be able to detect metals, but seems more suitable for detecting water.

But the ZB is a different design which has little known from testing except some strange test results which are different from different people. Maybe the ZB has a way to ignore charges caused by water, conductive ground, and other false signals that we don't understand yet.


Best wishes,
J_P

[michael]

Hi Michael One of ZB user found one silver box with jewelry buried in old house yard (garden ? ) he said ZB start the sounds at 50 meters,he folow direction and use the ZB pointed to ground to understand where it comes the signal,and of course with metal detector he found the box only 40 cm deep,material was from the 18 century. The other one found one gold cache,more than 1 Kg of coins in a remote place like a forest,distance was 80 meters,i not remember the deep,he told only with Pulse Induction large coil he get the pinpoint of the cache. Both of them said after remove the treasures ZB not give more signals. Should i believe in this stories ???Well i need to rebuild my ZB and go to the fields

All of ZB builders told this LRL is not good to find small objects. Except Mehdi told diferent story.

Hi, pardon me please for my DC, again filtering problem.dear Morgan, so which one? finally this ZB can detect treasure or not? I ask this as your comments here are in contradiction. would you please tell some details of their founds condition? e.g. weather and ground conditions?another question is ; do you think it detects better than PD?Thank you in advance.

[michael]

OH, by the way J_P, thank you very much for your useful information.

[J_Player]

OH, by the way J_P, thank you very much for your useful information.

Hi Michael,
How you been doing with your treasure hunting since you returned from Australia?

I am glad you liked my post. If you think it helped you to find treasure, you can send me a reward, like some samples of the treasure you found. (Send PM for shipping instructions).



Best wishes,
J_P

[Morgan]

Z-Brother

Hi, pardon me please for my DC, again filtering problem.dear Morgan, so which one? finally this ZB can detect treasure or not? I ask this as your comments here are in contradiction. would you please tell some details of their founds condition? e.g. weather and ground conditions?another question is ; do you think it detects better than PD?Thank you in advance.

Hello Michael

Well,this people found the treasures in dry weather,thats what i know,and it makes sense.
If ZB is better than PD,i dont think so,anyway i´m rebuilding my Z-B and will make all the tests in the field and report the results to you.
All the treasures in contact with the ground produce ENERGY,this field of energy is more big to North direction,THIS IS TRUE,and i think the Zahori Brother can locate one treasure many meters distance,but the ANTENNA will need more refinated ideias to work for the little objects. The gold or silver sample in connection with the Antenna is important.There are many things that all Electronic Engeneers not believe becouse not understand,and i dont understand but make experiments and see the results.

Regards

[michael]

Hi Michael,
How you been doing with your treasure hunting since you returned from Australia?

I am glad you liked my post. If you think it helped you to find treasure, you can send me a reward, like some samples of the treasure you found. (Send PM for shipping instructions).



Best wishes,
J_P

Hi. J_Pfirst of all I apologize from all for my post paragraphing, as I use anti-filters it never letme to set my comments on separate paragraphs or put any emoticon. (Damn government )
We went down up to 13 meters, but again jinn activities stopped work, it has long story, out of patience to tell here. In summarized ask you how it's possible from over ground our PI always bit it with highest signal (overloads) but when send it vertically into well sometime overloads and other times becomes entirely silent???!!!!!

Believe me or not, it's obvious something strange happens there and make us very confused.So we decided to give up this point at present until find a good strong guru to conquer jinns.

Now we stretch our work to other areas, so last week I accepted to work with other teams and took my PD to a treasure suspectlocation (based on map), at dark night I turned on my PD and started walking toward their location after 15-20 minutes we reached to a location that PD started strong crazily beeping I stopped and walked back for 20-25 meters, again set PD to null and walked toward the location ,again got same behavior. I continued walking and noticed a digging there. they said:" that's it, that's it, your detector is locating the same location. Do you order we continue digging?" I said them: "No it's too soon to run any equation, maybe the treasure be up to 20 meters radius around here I should bring a reliable pinpointer detector"

After that I asked them about their reason for digging the point.They told me that one month ago they had located that point with another detector with another device owner, but found no sign of treasure.

what they signed from that detector was a kind of MFD which owner had let himself to pinpoint and mark a point to dig down. Result was empty hole.I tried this by PD from different directions and got same results, concluded there is a hot place with high possibility (over 70%) of treasure existence.So 2 days later I'm going there with my powerful PI (MDL) to see what it tells.I hope to find a clear treasure ( without any talisman; not encounter any jinn)

About your information, again thank you although at this time for me personally is no help for treasure hunting. but hope to be at future.(Smile blinking emoticon)If I want to give a share, first of all the best guy is Morgan who did a considerable favor and granted us the PD.(I'm serious I will settle for him) to see what will happen.

[Qiaozhi]

We went down up to 13 meters, but again jinn activities stopped work, it has long story, out of patience to tell here. In summarized ask you how it's possible from over ground our PI always bit it with highest signal (overloads) but when send it vertically into well sometime overloads and other times becomes entirely silent???!!!!!

Believe me or not, it's obvious something strange happens there and make us very confused.So we decided to give up this point at present until find a good strong guru to conquer jinns.

Have you considered that there may be a much simpler answer?

In other words, there is no treasure in the place where you are digging.

[aft_72005]

Hi Michael
As you said , you couldn’t find long buried metals by PD yet!!!.
Are you find any metallic items by your PD ???
Best regards.

[J_Player]

Have you considered that there may be a much simpler answer?

In other words, there is no treasure in the place where you are digging.

Hi Qiaozhi,
This seems like one possibility. But then, what caused his PI detector to make a signal at this location?

It seems like there were some strange overload signals coming from the PI detector as well as some blank signals.
If not the work of a Jinn, we are left with equipment malfunction causing this strange PI detector behavior.
The question is why would the PI detector malfunction only here, and not when taken away from this location?

If there is not a treasure at that location, then there must be something strange there to cause the PI detector to malfunction.

Best wishes,
J_P