Zahori

[Morgan]

Zahori Brother

Hello

I know your skill in electronics. Maybe you can help,today i try the ZB in the fields and at some moment i catch Radio Frequency signal RF(music). This happens becouse i remove the wire who connect to BIG LOOP L1,it becomes very sensitive but unfortunatly RF enter the Zahori. I ask you if you have solution,maybe some low resistence in between L1 ?


Regards

Or maybe we can change the 22K for a fixed resistence in the circuit and adapt one resitence filter to L1,maybe a few oHms enough,to detect long and reject radio waves,just ideias...

[Morgan]

Z-Brother

Interestig expirence mehdi.
Without the antenna, how do get directivity?
Morgan, you got almost same results has my zahori. I think the clue of succes is the antenna and some mods like mehdi said
Regards
Nelson

No,i´m sure we need this antenna with the sample,the problem is the big L1 connected to pot in circuit not aloud the L2 to have full power.

[aft_72005]

Hello Aft_

Do you know at what frequency the mini Zahori works ?

Regards

Hi Morgan
As I know , mini zahori is broadband receiver without tuning section .I think energy filed is electrostatic and electrostatic field without radiating as frequency , I remember you said long buried metals produced electromagnetic field, so how much frequency emitted for example from gold? Silver ? copper?
Best regards.

[nelson]

On what band was that radio station transmitting, i Mean AM or FM ?
I think to know this is important, to get the correct armonics to build may a good filter.
Regards

Nelson

Hello

I know your skill in electronics. Maybe you can help,today i try the ZB in the fields and at some moment i catch Radio Frequency signal RF(music). This happens becouse i remove the wire who connect to BIG LOOP L1,it becomes very sensitive but unfortunatly RF enter the Zahori. I ask you if you have solution,maybe some low resistence in between L1 ?


Regards

[aft_72005]

Hello

I know your skill in electronics. Maybe you can help,today i try the ZB in the fields and at some moment i catch Radio Frequency signal RF(music). This happens becouse i remove the wire who connect to BIG LOOP L1,it becomes very sensitive but unfortunatly RF enter the Zahori. I ask you if you have solution,maybe some low resistence in between L1 ?


Regards

As I side it is sensitive broadband detector without tuning , if add tuning section
Then rejected radio station , but maybe reject also target signals .
Best regards.

[Morgan]

phenomenon

Hi Morgan
As I know , mini zahori is broadband receiver without tuning section .I think energy filed is electrostatic and electrostatic field without radiating as frequency , I remember you said long buried metals produced electromagnetic field, so how much frequency emitted for example from gold? Silver ? copper?
Best regards.

the electromagnetic field emited by treasure can produce also electrostatic and ionic field,this are things we are trying to understand.

[Morgan]

Zahori field test

As I side it is sensitive broadband detector without tuning , if add tuning section
Then rejected radio station , but maybe reject also target signals .
Best regards.

i dont think so,two people already found someting with this antenna ,and they not talk about radio waves,becouse they use pot 22k connect L1. So we just need some solution to avoid some RF in zahori full power.


Regards

[J_Player]

the electromagnetic field emited by treasure can produce also electrostatic and ionic field,this are things we are trying to understand.

Hi Morgan,
A buried treasure does not emit an electromagnetic field of any strength.

The buried treasure corrodes in the ground, and ions from the metal surface enter into the soil. The chemical action between the soil and the metal causes a voltage and can increase the conductivity of the ground. The voltage is not high electrostatic. it is usually less than 1 volt, but is always less than 2 volts. The chemistry will not allow the ions to produce a higher voltage from natural corrosion. There is no high energy coming from the treasure.

The only source of high strength electromagnetic or electrostatic field is from the atmosphere and the telluric currents which are produced as a result. The way you find treasure is speculated to be caused by the change in ground conductivity in the area where a treasure is corroding. The flow of electrons from the earth to the sky is very small, but the electric field that pushes these electrons is very large. It is speculated that a small difference in ground conductivity caused by a buried treasure will cause large differences in the electric field in the air above it.

This does not mean there are treasure ions in the air above the treasure. We know this is not possible. But it is very possible that the electric field gradient will be less in this air above the more conductive ground. And this is the kind of anomaly you are looking for.

So you see you make a mistake if you think the treasure is emitting electromagnetic and ionic fields. These are false theories that people made up to try to explain why they find signals in the air. The only real electrostatic in the air comes from the atmospheric charge. And the only detectable anomaly near a treasure is an anomaly which could disturb the atmospheric charge gradient. Look for a place where the air is not 200 volts charge at the height that you hold your Zahori. You should see lower voltage where the treasure is buried.

Good luck with your Zahori
Best wishes,
J_P

[Morgan]

LRL experiments

Hi Morgan,
A buried treasure does not emit an electromagnetic field of any strength.

The buried treasure corrodes in the ground, and ions from the metal surface enter into the soil. The chemical action between the soil and the metal causes a voltage and can increase the conductivity of the ground. The voltage is not high electrostatic. it is usually less than 1 volt, but is always less than 2 volts. The chemistry will not allow the ions to produce a higher voltage from natural corrosion. There is no high energy coming from the treasure.

The only source of high strength electromagnetic or electrostatic field is from the atmosphere and the telluric currents which are produced as a result. The way you find treasure is speculated to be caused by the change in ground conductivity in the area where a treasure is corroding. The flow of electrons from the earth to the sky is very small, but the electric field that pushes these electrons is very large. It is speculated that a small difference in ground conductivity caused by a buried treasure will cause large differences in the electric field in the air above it.

This does not mean there are treasure ions in the air above the treasure. We know this is not possible. But it is very possible that the electric field gradient will be less in this air above the more conductive ground. And this is the kind of anomaly you are looking for.

So you see you make a mistake if you think the treasure is emitting electromagnetic and ionic fields. These are false theories that people made up to try to explain why they find signals in the air. The only real electrostatic in the air comes from the atmospheric charge. And the only detectable anomaly near a treasure is an anomaly which could disturb the atmospheric charge gradient. Look for a place where the air is not 200 volts charge at the height that you hold your Zahori. You should see lower voltage where the treasure is buried.

Good luck with your Zahori
Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_P

The mini Zahori is only experiments,of course i have the PD,but i want to see also some results with Zahori.

Thanks for the explanations,i imagine the air voltage is higer over buried treasures...

Regards

[aft_72005]

Hi Morgan,
A buried treasure does not emit an electromagnetic field of any strength.

The buried treasure corrodes in the ground, and ions from the metal surface enter into the soil. The chemical action between the soil and the metal causes a voltage and can increase the conductivity of the ground. The voltage is not high electrostatic. it is usually less than 1 volt, but is always less than 2 volts. The chemistry will not allow the ions to produce a higher voltage from natural corrosion. There is no high energy coming from the treasure.

The only source of high strength electromagnetic or electrostatic field is from the atmosphere and the telluric currents which are produced as a result. The way you find treasure is speculated to be caused by the change in ground conductivity in the area where a treasure is corroding. The flow of electrons from the earth to the sky is very small, but the electric field that pushes these electrons is very large. It is speculated that a small difference in ground conductivity caused by a buried treasure will cause large differences in the electric field in the air above it.

This does not mean there are treasure ions in the air above the treasure. We know this is not possible. But it is very possible that the electric field gradient will be less in this air above the more conductive ground. And this is the kind of anomaly you are looking for.

So you see you make a mistake if you think the treasure is emitting electromagnetic and ionic fields. These are false theories that people made up to try to explain why they find signals in the air. The only real electrostatic in the air comes from the atmospheric charge. And the only detectable anomaly near a treasure is an anomaly which could disturb the atmospheric charge gradient. Look for a place where the air is not 200 volts charge at the height that you hold your Zahori. You should see lower voltage where the treasure is buried.

Good luck with your Zahori
Best wishes,
J_P

Hi J_Player
Yes, for most metals this voltage under 2 volt . For example ,underground
gas pips protection system used this method.
Are you sure long range base on this subject ?
I remember minoro animation
Best regards.

[Rudy]

Hi Morgan,
A buried treasure does not emit an electromagnetic field of any strength.

The buried treasure corrodes in the ground, and ions from the metal surface enter into the soil. The chemical action between the soil and the metal causes a voltage and can increase the conductivity of the ground. The voltage is not high electrostatic. it is usually less than 1 volt, but is always less than 2 volts. The chemistry will not allow the ions to produce a higher voltage from natural corrosion. There is no high energy coming from the treasure.

The only source of high strength electromagnetic or electrostatic field is from the atmosphere and the telluric currents which are produced as a result. The way you find treasure is speculated to be caused by the change in ground conductivity in the area where a treasure is corroding. The flow of electrons from the earth to the sky is very small, but the electric field that pushes these electrons is very large. It is speculated that a small difference in ground conductivity caused by a buried treasure will cause large differences in the electric field in the air above it.

This does not mean there are treasure ions in the air above the treasure. We know this is not possible. But it is very possible that the electric field gradient will be less in this air above the more conductive ground. And this is the kind of anomaly you are looking for.

So you see you make a mistake if you think the treasure is emitting electromagnetic and ionic fields. These are false theories that people made up to try to explain why they find signals in the air. The only real electrostatic in the air comes from the atmospheric charge. And the only detectable anomaly near a treasure is an anomaly which could disturb the atmospheric charge gradient. Look for a place where the air is not 200 volts charge at the height that you hold your Zahori. You should see lower voltage where the treasure is buried.

Good luck with your Zahori
Best wishes,
J_P

Hi JP,

Interesting. I think one needs to look at this effect from two different points of view. A "passive" instrument, like a Zahori; and an "active" system that uses rods driven into the ground and pass an electric current into the ground.

In your explanation above, I personally can't see how a large electric field gradient is maintained over the buried treasure.

[J_Player]

Hi J_Player
Yes, for most metals this voltage under 2 volt . For example ,underground
gas pips protection system used this method.
Are you sure long range base on this subject ?
I remember minoro animation
Best regards.

Hi Aft,
Yes I am sure.
As an engineer you know it is impossible for buried metal to build strong electrostatic field which can be measured. Any large electrical potential from buried metal is quickly shorted and dissipated in the ground. The most voltage a buried metal can develop is not a high static field. It is usually less than 2 volts, caused by the chemical reaction of corrosion. It is the same as if you buried a battery in the ground. This battery would show maybe 1.5 volts for awhile, but you could not measure this 1.5 volts as a strong electrostatic field from any distance.

The electrostatic field you can build in your body is quickly discharged and dissipated the moment you youch your body to the ground. It is the same for buried metal. Buried metal does not accumulate any large static charge. But if it did, then the ground in contact would dissipate it so it no longer exists.

The Mineoro propaganda has been shown to be false by scientists and technicians who measured the content of the air in different conditions. They found that gold ions do not exist in the air. Any ionized gold will quickly combine to make a gold particle. All of the gold floating in the air has been found to be solid gold particles, not ions. Chemists have seen that Mineoro propaganda is correct for gold ions moving up through the ground above treasure. But they saw that all these ions are neutralized in the last 10-30 cm before they reach the surface. This is where the gold ions combine to become tiny gold particles where they can attach to other gold particles and form micro gold dust. This dust can wash into the oceans or blow into the wind to become an extremely small concentration of gold particles. Gold recovery companies determined that it is much too expensive to build equipment to recover the gold from the oceans or from the air. They continue to look for larger concentrations that are found in deposits under the ground.

The entire Mineoro theory of gold ions floating in the air has been demonstrated to be wrong. You can also prove this is wrong for yourself by taking a drift tube ion detector near where you know there is buried gold. You will see the drift tube does not find any gold ions anywhere in the air near the buried gold or away from it.

The gold cannot cause any static electric field more than 1-2 volts depending on what other elements are near the corroding gold in the ground. This voltage is not easy to measure from the surface unless you are using probes like are used for ground resistivity. If you measure some voltage with this kind of probe, you may be measuring the gold chemical reacition voltage. But this is not likely because the gold ions are in very small concentration (around 3 parts per trillion), so any voltage is quickly lost in the when begin to collect some its current to measure it. But there are other metal ions in larger amounts which are easier to measure like copper, zinc, lead, iron, and others. These will be much more plentiful and are more likely to show some measureable voltage. And even then you cannot be sure you are measuring voltage caused by chemical corrosion. There are even stronger voltages caused by the telluric currents moving under the ground. These telluric currents can actually be used as a power source for low voltages. In the days before telephones, telluric currents sometimes powered the telegraph lines which used a single conductor, and a ground rod for the return path.

But back to LRL theories, ions could be involved because we know there are trace amounts of gold ions corroding into the soil and moving upward in a column. And electrostatics could be involved because we know there is a 100v/meter voltage gradient above in the air above the ground. We also know electrons are leaking from the ground into the air, driven by the force of this electric field gradient. Will this field gradient become changed above an area of more conductive, ionized soil where treasure is buried? You tell me... you are an EE. We have many choices for real physical phenomenon to develop a true explanation, but the buried gold emitting ions into the air and generating large electric fields from under the ground is not one of these possible explanations.

Don't take my word for it. Test the air above some buried gold and see for yourself if there are any gold ions floating around there. Also put some probes in the ground near the buried gold to see if you can measure any strong electrostatic fields under the ground.

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

Hi JP,

Interesting. I think one needs to look at this effect from two different points of view. A "passive" instrument, like a Zahori; and an "active" system that uses rods driven into the ground and pass an electric current into the ground.

In your explanation above, I personally can't see how a large electric field gradient is maintained over the buried treasure.

Hi Rudy,

You are correct. An instrument which stimulates the target area will necessarily work diffrently than a passive instrument which measures only natural state signals. As an example, a conventional metal detector measures signals that don't exist naturally in any measureable amound from the buried metal. A passive detector in the case of buried metal is looking for a much smaller signal which is more likely to be buried in noise, and more difficult to find. This means you would need to make an exhaustive search to find the most likely kind of signal that will be strong enough to measure.

The most likely candidate for a passive signal seems to be the atmospheric air charge. Everything else is tiny in comparison. As far as a large electric field gradient, this is the standard gradient in the air, driven by solar wind at the ionosphere. It varies from day to night, and from season to season, and even has local variations. But it usually falls in the range of 100-200 volts per meter altitude in the vicinity of the earth surface. See here for my previous discussion of this: http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...688#post126688

The current leaking into the air is typically around 11.76 nA leaking from any 1 sq meter of earth surface on average. Of course we can't measure this current with any normal kind of milliammeter, but we can expect it will change to maybe double if the conductivity of the ground is caused to change to double the amount in found neighboring areas. The theory is that chemical reactions of corroding buried metals will change the conductivity of the ground to become higher than ground with no chemical activity involving metal corrosion. When this happens, we could expect the 100 v/meter gradient to be reduced in this local area of higher ground conductivity and higher current leaking into the air. This reduced voltage gradient should be easier to measure because it is in a range where we have instruments that can measure it.

The only problem I have with this theory is I haven't seen any field data to support it. It would be interesting to see some actual tests that show the field gradient over uniform ground that has places where a conductivity/resistivity anomaly is created in the soil. In a test condition, the conductive soil area can be made by simply pouring water into a small hole and giving it time to absorb into the soil. Or maybe by driving a long metal rod into the ground to conduct to the lower layers, then pouring a bucket of water on the top surface.

I am suspecting that if a zahori is very sensitive to electric field variations it will detect this variation in gradient. Of course, the same variation in gradient could be caused by a damp spot in the soil where an animal recently visited. This could result in finding a questionable treasure.

Best wishes,
J_P

[aft_72005]

Don't take my word for it. Test the air above some buried gold and see for yourself if there are any gold ions floating around there. Also put some probes in the ground near the buried gold to see if you can measure any strong electrostatic fields under the ground.

Thanks for good preamble , and big problem is don’t have experimental gold
Target . I am not treasure hunter ,but interesting to philosophy of long buried
Metals .
Best regards.

[aft_72005]

J_Player
What is your opinion about moving conductive air over ground ?
I heard travel from south to north ,
Best regards.