signal from gold

[Clondike Clad]

signal look like an AM signal

Esteban,
I am not talking about cancelling the noise, but cancelling the signals of 2 identical devices, one with the needed signal the other without.
This way you can remove the natural variations of the field you want to explore.
Below i call this e-field but you can call it whathever you want :-)
Regards,
Fred.

Is this rf?

[J_Player]

Is this rf?

Hi Clondike Clad,

The graphs you are looking at show a typical method of noise canceling. This will work for audio or for RF. The idea is to generate two identical signals in opposite phase. One signal is sent to the LRL search head to interact with any "treasure signal" and noise that happens to be present that would give a false reading. The other signal is shielded from the treasure signal, but is exposed to the same noise as the first signal. Then these two signals are mixed, which should cancel each other out to a zero-volt signal. The only difference is the signal that was exposed to the treasure is expected to have any treasure signals added to it in addition to the noise. So when we mix the two opposite phase signals, they cancel to zero, except for the treasure signals that comes through as a single spike. This noise canceling method is used in order to allow the electronics to actually detect a treasure, rather than a continuous stream of noise signals.

What frequency? This depends. Many LRLs operate in the RF range from about 5 khz to 200 khz, with 40khz-60 khz being a popular range. There are also LRLs that operate in the audio range as low as 400 hz. In some cases, this audio frequency is the result of a beat frequency from an oscillator that runs in the 15khz to 60khz range. There are also some LRLs that do not use an oscillator to broadcast a signal. They may use a plain antenna connected to sensitive amplifiers. In this case, the wave you see in the graph could be natural electric or magnetic waves in the air, and may be less tan 1 hz or in the khz ranges. It seems pretty nebulous when there are no defined absolutes in LRL construction. Because there are so many approaches, we have no common starting point, and each project LRL must be considered separately. Keep in mind, many LRLs have been stated to work on different principles such as electrostatic, ionic, absorptive, reflective, etc, etc.

The principle of noise cancelling works regardless of the frequency. All that is required is that the two identical opposite phase signals are exposed to the same environment of noise, except one of them is shielded from the "treasure signal".

Best wishes,
J_P

[Dell Winders]

JP, For what it's worth, In my years of field experience testing Frequency discrimination, I find what you say to be true. Dell

[Clondike Clad]

RF signal

Hi Clondike Clad,

The graphs you are looking at show a typical method of noise canceling. This will work for audio or for RF. The idea is to generate two identical signals in opposite phase. One signal is sent to the LRL search head to interact with any "treasure signal" and noise that happens to be present that would give a false reading. The other signal is shielded from the treasure signal, but is exposed to the same noise as the first signal. Then these two signals are mixed, which should cancel each other out to a zero-volt signal. The only difference is the signal that was exposed to the treasure is expected to have any treasure signals added to it in addition to the noise. So when we mix the two opposite phase signals, they cancel to zero, except for the treasure signals that comes through as a single spike. This noise canceling method is used in order to allow the electronics to actually detect a treasure, rather than a continuous stream of noise signals.

What frequency? This depends. Many LRLs operate in the RF range from about 5 khz to 200 khz, with 40khz-60 khz being a popular range. There are also LRLs that operate in the audio range as low as 400 hz. In some cases, this audio frequency is the result of a beat frequency from an oscillator that runs in the 15khz to 60khz range. There are also some LRLs that do not use an oscillator to broadcast a signal. They may use a plain antenna connected to sensitive amplifiers. In this case, the wave you see in the graph could be natural electric or magnetic waves in the air, and may be less tan 1 hz or in the khz ranges. It seems pretty nebulous when there are no defined absolutes in LRL construction. Because there are so many approaches, we have no common starting point, and each project LRL must be considered separately. Keep in mind, many LRLs have been stated to work on different principles such as electrostatic, ionic, absorptive, reflective, etc, etc.

The principle of noise cancelling works regardless of the frequency. All that is required is that the two identical opposite phase signals are exposed to the same environment of noise, except one of them is shielded from the "treasure signal".

Best wishes,
J_P

I know about cancelling circuits,Now it looks as if the target is putting out a signal in the af to vlf range? and it is some kind of RF is this the case?

[Clondike Clad]

iron detections

JP, For what it's worth, In my years of field experience testing Frequency discrimination, I find what you say to be true. Dell

Ok Dell now what is the best way to detect iron for a start.
I would like to try a step by step from you.
If I can detect iron at 10 feet with a LRL it would be a start.
I will go for Carl's $25,000 after I can do a 1oz gold bar at 10 feet.
Just think a guy who slams LRL using one to take Carl's money

[Fred]

I know about cancelling circuits,Now it looks as if the target is putting out a signal in the af to vlf range? and it is some kind of RF is this the case?

The frequency is not so important, just the principle.But i see this more like a signal at the DC range (if i can say so), if we are talking about measuring the potencial above ground...

[Dell Winders]

Ok Dell now what is the best way to detect iron for a start.
I would like to try a step by step from you.
If I can detect iron at 10 feet with a LRL it would be a start.

Sorry, I can't teach you from afar.
I stated that Iron concentrates a strong emanating "Field" for you to start with. I certainly didn't say that an LRL, or Frequency Discriminator, actually detects Iron, or Gold, for that matter. As far as I know, they don't. Dell

[sweatofglory]

Remote Sensing Equipment

Hi GEO

What are the reasons why remote sensing equipment always failed to perform in actual tests???



sweatofglory

[Geo]

Hi GEO

What are the reasons why remote sensing equipment always failed to perform in actual tests???



sweatofglory

Hi.
Not always failed to perform in tests.
There are machines that work really as LRL. But if a person has a good LRL why to come here and to show it ???? He take the treasures and nothing else
I saw LRL that work medium or good, and now (3 years ago ) i try to build a good clone. Also i worked with medium LRL. For me is a simple small secret, and i try to learn it. Nothing else

Regards

[Clondike Clad]

What the f@ck Dell told me that LRL don't WORK

Sorry, I can't teach you from afar.
I stated that Iron concentrates a strong emanating "Field" for you to start with. I certainly didn't say that an LRL, or Frequency Discriminator, actually detects Iron, or Gold, for that matter. As far as I know, they don't. Dell

Now please tell me what is going on?????????????????????????????????????

Dell it telling me he is scamming people??????????????????????????????????

If LRL don't work why is he selling them.

[Dell Winders]

What the f@ck Dell told me that LRL don't WORK
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dell Winders
Sorry, I can't teach you from afar.
I stated that Iron concentrates a strong emanating "Field" for you to start with. I certainly didn't say that an LRL, or Frequency Discriminator, actually detects Iron, or Gold, for that matter. As far as I know, they don't. Dell
Now please tell me what is going on?????????????????????????????????????

Dell it telling me he is scamming people??????????????????????????????????

If LRL don't work why is he selling them.

Clondike Clad, what to heck is wrong with you?????????????????? I never said anything of the sort.

I truthfully told you, from personal field experience, that as far as I know LRL's, or Frequency Discriminators, Do not actually detect the physical targets of Iron, or Gold.

Where do you get off claiming I am scamming people when I state honestly that my products appear to be detecting an emanating "Field" concentrated by these elements, and NOT the physical target itself????????????

I posted my telephone number for you, and offered to freely spend the time to show you what I have learned about Frequency Discrimination & LRL, when you came to Florida. Is that a scam?????

Your opinionated display of dis-respect for me, a person you have never met, and don't know, is beyond my understanding. I hope you will cease your inferences of fraud, and attack on my character, and permit me to reply without reasons to have to defend my honesty, and integrity against you.

Thank you for your consideration. Dell

[Clondike Clad]

Clondike Clad, what to heck is wrong with you?????????????????? I never said anything of the sort.

I truthfully told you, from personal field experience, that as far as I know LRL's, or Frequency Discriminators, Do not actually detect the physical targets of Iron, or Gold.

Where do you get off claiming I am scamming people when I state honestly that my products appear to be detecting an emanating "Field" concentrated by these elements, and NOT the physical target itself????????????

I posted my telephone number for you, and offered to freely spend the time to show you what I have learned about Frequency Discrimination & LRL, when you came to Florida. Is that a scam?????

Your opinionated display of dis-respect for me, a person you have never met, and don't know, is beyond my understanding. I hope you will cease your inferences of fraud, and attack on my character, and permit me to reply without reasons to have to defend my honesty, and integrity against you.

Thank you for your consideration. Dell

Oh i misunderstand...sorry.
It is the way you wrote it.

[Theseus]

Oh i misunderstand...sorry.
It is the way you wrote it.

He sort of jumped all over you for no reason. I read it the same way you did.

If I had to guess, I'd say Dell was having a bad day today. Or, maybe he's trying out for a part in a movie sequel to Grumpy Old Men.

[Carl-NC]

Technically, a magnetometer does not detect iron, rather it detects the magnetic field distortion caused by an iron target. And a metal detector does not detect metal, rather it detects the magnetic field distortions caused by the eddy currents that are induced by a primary magnetic field.

That said...

1. I can tell you exactly how a magnetometer or a metal detector works, down to the very physics involved.
2. I can use a magnetometer or a metal detector in a randomized double-blind test to objectively prove they work as I claim they will work.
3. I can tell you exactly how to build a magnetometer or a metal detector, that you can build for yourself, that you can test for yourself, and that you can use to independently verify everything I tell you about how they work.
4. I can provide examples of people who have used magnetometers and metal detectors to locate and retrieve all sorts of valuable objects, from individual items to caches to massive hoards of treasure. And lots of it, too.

LRL proponents can do none of this.

- Carl

[Dell Winders]

1. I can provide examples of people who have used magnetometers and metal detectors to locate and retrieve all sorts of valuable objects, from individual items to caches to massive hoards of treasure. And lots of it, too.

LRL proponents can do none of this.

- Carl

Carl, is that expressed as your personal opinon, or are you stating this as a fact? Please clarify.

And of course, "LRL proponnents can do none of this" is blatenly untrue. There you go Carl, two lies from you in two weeks. Last week on TNET, you said MFD was a Dowsing Rod Scam.
This is your Scam, Carl, and you may feel being untruthful has worked for you in the past, but trying to cover one lie with another is catching up with you.

Now if you had stated that LRL PROPONENT, BASHER'S can do none of this, you would have been closer to the truth. Dell