Action of the Earth in solenoids

[Qiaozhi]

The measurment was not done in air. It was done in the ground.
The vector current (I) was used as conductivity for electric field intensity. Affected also by tellurics, when a metal is buried, the streams run towards the metal, increasing the flow of electric current, hence the difference in value.
For a resistive object, it flows around it.

More gobbledygook by pseudo-scientist Hung.
Fantasy land physics combined with do-nothing electronics = wallet mining.

[Fred]

More gobbledygook by pseudo-scientist Hung.
Fantasy land physics combined with do-nothing electronics = wallet mining.

Really those explanations don´t make any sense

[Qiaozhi]

Really those explanations don´t make any sense

Exactly...

[Morgan]

What is Dowsing ???

Dowsing is a "trick of the mind". People who believe in dowsing are being self-deluded, because the act of dowsing can be quite compelling.

I suggest that you look at this website to learn the ugly truth ->
http://sites.google.com/site/dowsingtruth/

Search with Dowsing Rod´s can be deception or sometimes one treasure or valuable coins can be found with this instruments,its allways impossible to say if it works 100%. Anyway i found and saw other people finding many interesting coins&jewelry with Rod´s...
One normal Dowsing Rod follow your intuition and if correct can be your lucky day I respect Dowsing,I understand why many people use Dowsing Rod´s in TH.

[Fred]

Actually this is interesting , dowsing rods could be a way for your mind to express itself, kind of a translator, so logical (real world) clues about a possible treasure location could be expressed.
That would also explain why one needs practice, the more you dig empty holes the more you learn where to dig to avoid digging empty holes .
And also explain a more than average rate of success on real terrain, but zero on planted targets, where such clues don´t exist.

Lets get back to real (electronic) detectors

[Steve in MS]

That has to be a metaphysical side to dowsing and whether it works or not,
is not my concern. I simply don't believe in it and don't think I could get it to work for me.
There seems to be a definition problem with LRLs, that is the kind that has a mechanical part. The makers of them claim they are not dowsing rods while some skeptics believe all these devises are dowsing rods.
Here's where I have a problem with these mechanical types, if they don't have a power supply, what causes the movement?
Can these supposed movements be subjected to repeated tests with the same results?
All this about the human body being the power supply has its roots in dowsing, plain and simple, there is no way around it.
Now meta-physics and para-normal activity cannot be subjected to scientific testing since it is out of the boundaries of the physical universe.
Now are mechanical LRLs dowsers or not?
Lets take a poll.

[J_Player]

Here's where I have a problem with these mechanical types, if they don't have a power supply, what causes the movement?
Can these supposed movements be subjected to repeated tests with the same results?

According to most skeptics, movement is caused by ideamotor response, ie: muscles cause the rod to move depending on an idea in the user's head which may be conscious or subconscious. But according to LRL proponents, some little-known principles of science cause the LRL to move.

Little-know principles of science that cause LRLs to point to treasure:
1. Carrier signal lines that are shot and returned to the LRL
2. Frequencies emanating from a calculator to match the subatomic resonance of metals
2. Frequencies emanating from a circuit to match the subatomic resonance of metals
3. Electricity in the ground
4. Capacitive properties of the user's biological cells
5. Precious metal ions in the ground and in the air near where treasure is
6. Magnetic-electric effects along a signal line
7. Radionics

Many combinations of these little-known principles of science will cause the LRL to move and point to the treasure according to some LRL proponents.
But an interesting question comes to mind: Why is it that the treasure direction is alligned with the axis of the telescoping antenna? Most devices that use telescoping antennas are omnidirectional, and get their best reception when the antenna is turned upward, not pointing in the direction of a transmitting tower. Could it be an advertising gimmck to help make a prospective buyer feel like he has a pistol in his hand that points the direction of the target like a Buck Rogers pistol? Or is the little-known science different than regular science which dictates setting the antenna vertical for correct polarization?

Well, putting aside that curious aspect of the antenna, how can we test to see if these LRLs are different than dowsing? It seems that if the movement is caused by the user's muscles (dowsing), then gravity plays a part in supplying the force to move the device. ie: If the user's hands cause the LRL to tilt so its axis is no longer vertical, then gravity will exert a force that causes the heavy end of the LRL to move to the low side of the axis. So, if we have an LRL that is claimed not to be dowsing, then it will move due to the above little-known proinciples of science, rather than the user's hand tilting the vertical axis of the swivel handle.

Now, this can be easily tested by two different methods:
1. Attach a counterweight on one side of the LRL to balance it, so it does not swivel when its axis is tilted.
2. Attach a circular level vial on the LRL to indicate when the LRL is perfectly level, thus indicating when the operator is holding it in a perfectly vertical axis.

Then test the LRL with a known target that gives a good signal to see if it responds when gravity is not permitted to allow the user's hand to cause it to swivel. While using these test methods, if the LRL stops working then it would seem it is a dowsing device. But if it continues to work even when gravity cannot cause it to swing any direction, then it must be working by a little-known principle of science.

Best wishes,
J_P

[Steve in MS]

Ah, but J, remember inertia of movement and inertia of rest would come into play also while walking around with a mechanical LRL.
I understand you would like to conduct a test to eliminate gravity, balance and such but we can't even confirm a find with these LRLs.
Conventional detectors can be proven to be effective with a simply test in the front yard, heck, just throw something out there and it will beep when the coil passes over it.
Even pinpointing with an LRL...I have read many times about the user having problems zeroing in on a signal, doesn't it stand to reason the signal will get stronger the nearer he approaches?......that doesn't make sense to me, is the target a mile in this direction or the other, since I can't pinpoint?
Even the old forked stick dowsers use to find water, don't they point directly over the water hole?
LRLs can't be subjected to any kind of reason or logic it seems.......
Hmmm, guess this makes me one of those skeptics....
Believe that they work against all logic or reason.......
Now that is a hard sell .
What power do these LRLs have over their owners?

[Qiaozhi]

Actually this is interesting , dowsing rods could be a way for your mind to express itself, kind of a translator, so logical (real world) clues about a possible treasure location could be expressed.
That would also explain why one needs practice, the more you dig empty holes the more you learn where to dig to avoid digging empty holes .
And also explain a more than average rate of success on real terrain, but zero on planted targets, where such clues don´t exist.

Lets get back to real (electronic) detectors

I think Fred has hit the nail on the head.

A dowsing rod is simply the equivalent of an executive decision maker. When you're out with your trusty metal detector (you know, the one with some real electronics inside, and not the fantasy-land stuff) the problem is where to start searching. No problem, use an LRL or dowsing contraption to make the decision for you. Like the executive decision maker, it's only guesswork, but at least you've made a decision.

Of course, the dowsing / LRL contraption has one advantage over the executive decision maker, as the user's unconscious mind can "control" it via the ideomotor effect. So, in this way, clues in the landscape, hidden desires, etc., will influence the decision. In this way the result may be slightly better than guessing when used in the field, simply due human intervention. But it's still guessing.

[Theseus]

According to most skeptics, movement is caused by ideamotor response, ie: muscles cause the rod to move depending on an idea in the user's head which may be conscious or subconscious. But according to LRL proponents, some little-known principles of science cause the LRL to move.

Little-know principles of science that cause LRLs to point to treasure:
1. Carrier signal lines that are shot and returned to the LRL
2. Frequencies emanating from a calculator to match the subatomic resonance of metals
2. Frequencies emanating from a circuit to match the subatomic resonance of metals
3. Electricity in the ground
4. Capacitive properties of the user's biological cells
5. Precious metal ions in the ground and in the air near where treasure is
6. Magnetic-electric effects along a signal line
7. Radionics

Many combinations of these little-known principles of science will cause the LRL to move and point to the treasure according to some LRL proponents.
But an interesting question comes to mind: Why is it that the treasure direction is alligned with the axis of the telescoping antenna? Most devices that use telescoping antennas are omnidirectional, and get their best reception when the antenna is turned upward, not pointing in the direction of a transmitting tower. Could it be an advertising gimmck to help make a prospective buyer feel like he has a pistol in his hand that points the direction of the target like a Buck Rogers pistol? Or is the little-known science different than regular science which dictates setting the antenna vertical for correct polarization?

Well, putting aside that curious aspect of the antenna, how can we test to see if these LRLs are different than dowsing? It seems that if the movement is caused by the user's muscles (dowsing), then gravity plays a part in supplying the force to move the device. ie: If the user's hands cause the LRL to tilt so its axis is no longer vertical, then gravity will exert a force that causes the heavy end of the LRL to move to the low side of the axis. So, if we have an LRL that is claimed not to be dowsing, then it will move due to the above little-known proinciples of science, rather than the user's hand tilting the vertical axis of the swivel handle.

Now, this can be easily tested by two different methods:
1. Attach a counterweight on one side of the LRL to balance it, so it does not swivel when its axis is tilted.
2. Attach a circular level vial on the LRL to indicate when the LRL is perfectly level, thus indicating when the operator is holding it in a perfectly vertical axis.

Then test the LRL with a known target that gives a good signal to see if it responds when gravity is not permitted to allow the user's hand to cause it to swivel. While using these test methods, if the LRL stops working then it would seem it is a dowsing device. But if it continues to work even when gravity cannot cause it to swing any direction, then it must be working by a little-known principle of science.

Best wishes,
J_P

Speaking of tests and testing commercial LRLs.... what's the latest progress, or news, of the RT Examiner test that you are supposed to be a witness to? Anything going on towards bringing that little episode to fruition?

[Mike(Mont)]

Your posts show your ignorance. You do not even understand what a dowsing rod is used for. When you sweep the rod past a target, the rod will act as if it hits a wall. This is the edge of the target's field. So the rod is used to sense the target field's "pressure". Of course something has to elevate this pressure and that could be a frequency transmitter, or the "eyebeam" of the dowser. Yes, some people might be able to sense this with a crowbar (what I call a 'thug" rod) but the finer the rod the more information the dowser can receive. It's sort of like the tin cans and string telephones.

[J_Player]

Speaking of tests and testing commercial LRLs.... what's the latest progress, or news, of the RT Examiner test that you are supposed to be a witness to? Anything going on towards bringing that little episode to fruition?

Rangertell is working to find an alternate demonstrator, as his first choice of demonstrators did not respond to his request.

Best wishes,
J_P

[J_Player]

A dowsing rod is simply the equivalent of an executive decision maker. When you're out with your trusty metal detector (you know, the one with some real electronics inside, and not the fantasy-land stuff) the problem is where to start searching. No problem, use an LRL or dowsing contraption to make the decision for you. Like the executive decision maker, it's only guesswork, but at least you've made a decision.

This is brilliant!
Of course.... I would never have thought of it!

When I go coin shooting, as soon as I park the car, the first thing I will do is take out the trusty LRL and see which direction it beeps. Then I will walk that direction with my metal detector and see what I find. If I find a coin a mile away, this indicates the LRL detected the coin from a mile range. Now I can join the LRL proponents and honestly say my LRL works.

Finally, someone gave precise instructions for how to make these LRLs work!

Best wishes,
J_P

[Theseus]

Your posts show your ignorance. You do not even understand what a dowsing rod is used for.

... show your Ignorance? I guess you'd be the resident expert in that area.

A dowsing rod is used when the operator wants to guess about the location of various lost or hidden objects --and doesn't want to just look in the supposed direction, so would rather follow the direction of a dowsing wand, which operates in response to their own ideomotor response.

Does that help you any, Mike?

[Theseus]

Rangertell is working to find an alternate demonstrator, as his first choice of demonstrators did not respond to his request.

Best wishes,
J_P

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