MINERO

[Dell Winders]

DELL, FIELD COMPARING THE MINERO, WITH OTHER REMOTE SENSING LOCATORS.

Carl, I could not find your tech report on Minero. Can you post some photos of the coil(s) , circuit board and inside the enclosure as you have done on other LRL products? Thanks! Dell

[Carl-NC]

Sure, no problem...

Here's the main PC board:



There is a microcontroller, a piezo buzzer, some misc components, a "sensor" (top-center), and a "black box" (top-right). The large trace around the perimeter is a loop antenna, which would not be the least bit necessary if the device works according to Mineoro's claims. The oval trace around the sensor, and some components connected to it, are otherwise isolated from the rest of the circuitry, and do nothing.

The sensor is a piece of PVC pipe filled with epoxy:



This is the one piece I did not have permission to dissect. But it functions as a proximity detector, as the device beeps when objects are about 1/2 inch away.

The black box revealed this nifty little circuit:



I believe it is a simple regenerative receiver, used to pick up radio waves. I suspect the demonstrations I've heard about involve someone with an appropriate radio transmitter who can remotely cause the device to beep on command.

If anyone has a Mineoro they wish to sell, rent, or loan, I'll finish up my investigation and post a formal report.

- Carl

P.S. -- the device does not detect gold. Yes, I tried.

[Dell Winders]

Many Thanks! I haven't examined it closely but at first glance it looks like some cosmetic damage would be done trying to get inside the unit? For $8,000, I'm not that interested in knowing.

Being technically challenged and totally gullible about electronics, it would have been my guess that the trace around the circuit, and the trace around the sensor were both parts of the antenna system.

What kind of a sensor do you suspect might be behind the epoxy. Do you think it would cause the device to beep when receiving certain brodcast radio frequencies? That's looks like some comparative heavy duty wire coming out of a sensor?

The unit we are using doesn't require someone with a transmitter to cause it to beep on cue. In the conditions of this area we have subjected it to, it often beeps continously.

Another question, is there an output frequency, or does it appear to receive only?

Right now, I will reserve my opinion on it's merit in the field until I learn, and understand more about it.

Thanks for your input. The photos are very helpful. Dell

[Carl-NC]

Many Thanks! I haven't examined it closely but at first glance it looks like some cosmetic damage would be done trying to get inside the unit? For $8,000, I'm not that interested in knowing.

It's pretty easy to open.

Being technically challenged and totally gullible about electronics, it would have been my guess that the trace around the circuit, and the trace around the sensor were both parts of the antenna system.

Just the outer trace.

What kind of a sensor do you suspect might be behind the epoxy.

Don't know... if I were designing such a device to deceive someone, I would put a proximity sensor in it.

Do you think it would cause the device to beep when receiving certain brodcast radio frequencies? That's looks like some comparative heavy duty wire coming out of a sensor?

The outer loop & regenerative receiver could easily pick up broadcast frequencies.

The unit we are using doesn't require someone with a transmitter to cause it to beep on cue. In the conditions of this area we have subjected it to, it often beeps continously.

Yes, the one I had could do that, too.

Another question, is there an output frequency, or does it appear to receive only?

Receive only.

- Carl

[Dell Winders]

Carl, I appreciate the opinion. Do you mind if I cut and paste these photo's and remarks on TA, with a link, or would you prefer that I just provide a link to your site? Dell

[Esteban]

The "dissected" is the microcontroller version with an only potentiometer.

The PDC 205 and PDC 210 with two potentiometers that works in the limit is extremely sensitive. VERY. I agree the microcontroller/semiautomatic version (early PDC) is not good...


I don't know the performance of the 428 (in Dell's hand).


In this photo you can see the both knobs.

So, Carl's report is about the early microcontroller 1 knob model (several years out of the market).

[schatzsucher]

on which geophysical principle is the system based?

Is it a magnetometer?

[Esteban]

http://www.mineoro.com/tesouros/tesouro.htm

[schatzsucher]

that should be probably a joke

It´s a electronic LRL?

[Carl-NC]

Carl, I appreciate the opinion. Do you mind if I cut and paste these photo's and remarks on TA, with a link, or would you prefer that I just provide a link to your site? Dell

Whichever you prefer.

[Carl-NC]

The "dissected" is the microcontroller version with an only potentiometer.

The PDC 205 and PDC 210 with two potentiometers that works in the limit is extremely sensitive. VERY. I agree the microcontroller/semiautomatic version (early PDC) is not good...

I'll consider the possibility that adding a second potentiometer to a concept that simply does not work, might suddenly enable it to start working, no matter how remote that possibility is. However, I'll remain skeptical of Mineoro's claims, until I see one of their devices work in a fair test.

I have, in the past, offered my $25,000 challenge to Mineoro's US distributor. He declined. In July, I received an email from Mineoro:

Dear Mr. Moreland,

We would like to double-accept your challenge, as :

- MINEORO manufacturer of electronic LRL and
- SEGMAX manufacturer of mechanical inertial detectors by ionic and electrostatics fields (not dowsing)

- Our system of detection is by ionic fields and electrostatic fields.
- It is neither electromagnetic nor terrestrial magnetic or magnets.
- Our condition is that you have to publish results on your site and forums in the USA, and also we will publish on our site, and other international sites.
- All our search here in Brazil will be audio-taped and filmed.
- The inventors prefer that Mr. Carl Moreland himself be present as a Proctor or witness to attend a demostration of a new phenomenom in the area of science. If that could not be possible we also accept another person graduated in Electric Engineering or Electronics.
- We will need documents signed by Carl Moreland autenticated by legal authorities in the USA.
- The inventors , claimants, are called:
a) Jonas Paulo Fernandes Damásio (70)
b) Victor Alonso C. O´Campos (63)

- After the rain, the ionic electrostatic fields take from 2 to 5 days to recover to an ideal amplitude. Therefore it will be necessary that Proctors will be able to stay in Brazil approximately 10 to 15 days.

We would like to make clear that we are going to claim your challenge as two different companies, Mineoro and Segmax, with two different LRLs, and when successfully completing the tests, you will have to pay USD 25.000 to each of the different Claimant companies.

Looking forward to your news,

Best Regards,

JPF Damásio
Inventor
MINEORO LONG RANGE DIRECTIONAL DETECTORS

Oddly, when I tried to reply, I discovered that my email address was being blocked. I used an alternate method, and wrote:

Mr. Damásio,

There is only one $25,000 prize available. The first LRL that can be demonstrated using a double-blind protocol will win the prize and, after that, no other money is being offered. Therefore, Mineoro and Segmax may apply, but if one wins the prize the other cannot.

Please explain the need to stay 10 to 15 days. The standard double-blind test, as described on my web site, takes only a few hours at the most.

Regards,
Carl

I have yet to hear back from them.

- Carl

[schatzsucher]

that is what I had meant

[schatzsucher]

@Carl:

send also so email on okm

[mineorogreece]

MINEORO- HOW IT WORKS

JUST TO LET YOU KNOW I HAVE RESEARCHED MINEORO DETECTORS VERY MUCH.I HAVE COME UP WITH THIS:
IT IS SCIENTIFIC INFORMATION THAT EVERY BURIED METAL GENERATES AN ANOMALY IN THE ELECTRIC AND MAGNETIC FIELD OF THE EARTH.
SECONDLY,I HAVE TAKEN APART THE PDC205 MODEL WITH 2 POTENTIOMETERS.HERE IS WHAT I FOUND AS A BIOMED ENGINEER THAT I AM:
THE IONIC CHAMBER OR SENSOR AS YOU SAY,IS MADE UP OF AN ANODE A CATHODE AND A GOLD LEAF IN BETWEEN.THE BLACKBOX CIRCUIT IS NOT A REGENARATIVE RADIO RECEIVER.WHAT IT DOES IS, IT SENDS A SQUARE PULSE AT 11HZ TO THE ANODE WHICH IS VERY SHARP AT ITS TIP, AND IT GENERATES A SPIKE ON THE GOLD LEAF WITHOUT TOUCHING IT,WHICH THEY CLAIM THAT IT RELEASES GOLD IONS IN THE CHAMBER WITH POSITIVE POLARITY.
WHAT THE EQUIPMENT ACTUALLY DOES IS THAT IT DETECTS THE ELECTRIC FIELD OF THE EARTH ,IT AMPLIFIES IT AND WHEN YOU CALIBRATE IT,IT ACTUALLY ADDS THE SIGNAL OF THE ELECTRIC FIELD AND THE OUTPUT OF THE IONIC CHAMBER TOGETHER AND EQUALIZES TO A CERTAIN LEVEL.
IF YOU DETECT GOLD IONS COMING FROM BURIED GOLD ,INSTANTLY THE DETECTOR WILL BEEP BECAUSE IT HAS SENSED A SMALL ARC IN THE IONIC CHAMBER BECAUSE THE IONS POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE INTERACT OR SHORT CIRCUIT TOGETHER.THAT IS HOW THIS UNIT WORKS.
THE CIRCUITS DO WORK AND I HAVE TESTED THEM EXTENSIVELY.THE ONLY PART I HAVE NOT FOUND ANY INFORMATION ABOUT IS THAT BURIED METALS RELEASE IONS OF THEMSELVES IN THE ATMOSPHERE IN VERY SMALL TRACES.THAT IS WHAT MINEORO CLAIMS TO BE THEIR DISCOVERY.THANK YOU

[Carl-NC]

I HAVE TAKEN APART THE PDC205 MODEL WITH 2 POTENTIOMETERS.HERE IS WHAT I FOUND AS A BIOMED ENGINEER THAT I AM:

Perhaps you could post some pics of what you found...

WHAT THE EQUIPMENT ACTUALLY DOES IS THAT IT DETECTS THE ELECTRIC FIELD OF THE EARTH ,IT AMPLIFIES IT AND WHEN YOU CALIBRATE IT,IT ACTUALLY ADDS THE SIGNAL OF THE ELECTRIC FIELD AND THE OUTPUT OF THE IONIC CHAMBER TOGETHER AND EQUALIZES TO A CERTAIN LEVEL.

If the device detects electric fields, then this would be very easy to test, by turning a nearby electric field on and off, and seeing if the device responds.

IF YOU DETECT GOLD IONS COMING FROM BURIED GOLD ,INSTANTLY THE DETECTOR WILL BEEP BECAUSE IT HAS SENSED A SMALL ARC IN THE IONIC CHAMBER BECAUSE THE IONS POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE INTERACT OR SHORT CIRCUIT TOGETHER.THAT IS HOW THIS UNIT WORKS.

An ion is an atom, literally... if gold continuously releases ions, then it is dissolving. And, the only way the chamber of the PDC can detect such an ion, is for the ion to physically enter the chamber. This is not possible.

Also, this implies that physical atoms must leave the gold target, come up out of the ground, and float across the atmosphere to the PDC. You would be at the mercy of the wind. And if these atoms could enter the chamber and recombine with generated ions, there would be no directional information in this action. The atoms could come from anywhere.

All of this adds up to: tain't likely.

THE ONLY PART I HAVE NOT FOUND ANY INFORMATION ABOUT IS THAT BURIED METALS RELEASE IONS OF THEMSELVES IN THE ATMOSPHERE IN VERY SMALL TRACES.THAT IS WHAT MINEORO CLAIMS TO BE THEIR DISCOVERY.THANK YOU

More of that amazing science that scientists have somehow overlooked.

- Carl