MINERO

[Largesarge]

Okantex, Mi = miles, typical search radar range is 210 miles.

[Carl-NC]

I finally got a chance to sit down & read through the patent. Basically, he proposes using a low frequency (60Hz) EM signal which, through induction, creates eddy currents in metal targets; the AC eddy currents then create a mechanical vibration in the target; and a standard radar is used to detect the mechanical vibration.

This is all feasible, I suppose, though I question whether most metals would have enough mechanical displacement to be detectable by radar. Also, it would provide no means whatsoever to distinguish one type of metal from another.

Finally, this patent is a long, long way away from what Mineoro is claiming as their operational method.

- Carl

[Dell Winders]

For what it is worth, from my own years of experience in field testing LRL, I don't necessarily agree with some of the information provided on the MINERO, website, or in the operator manual.

Nor, would I reccommend consumers paying more than $2,000 maximum, for any LRL, presently on the market. They all have inherhent limitations that need to be addressed and understood by the operator, for the effecient use of this type of product.

With that said, I did have a problem with the MINERO falsely beeping when there were no Gold targets and realized the difficulty an inexperienced operator would have knowing if the MINERO was tuned correctly, or even working properly,

After I tested for the best settings of the MINERO, in fluxuating "Strength of Field" conditions of Central Florida, USA conditions, and showed the purchaser his best method of usage of the product, the MINERO customer has since made six (6) presumed Gold locations with his MINERO.

Both, by personally re-checking his locations with the MINERO, and then comparison testing the locations with a Fitzgerald "SI-GO" LRL, my own "DDL Gold" (experimental) and OMNITRON PRO-4, and X-SCAN, models, five (5) of the MINERO targets were able to be confirmed by these other Locator's

Carl, apparently has an older version of the MINERO, and it may not be tuned correctly, or working properly, which give justification for his negativity.

The MINERO, target depth tool that came with the MINERO, was of a different design than the one that Carl, has pictured. We tested the "Depth" Probe on a deep target. The MINERO, was placed close to the Target location as in the instructions. When the Depth probe was touched to the ground on the possible 45 degree emenating "field" (Bishops Rule), the MINERO would Beep. When the Depth probe was touched to the ground elsewhere, the Minero would not beep. In this test it would beep 24 feet away from the non-electronic 'depth" probe. This test was repeated with consistent results.

I also experienced reactions detecting and tracing the "signal line" to targets, and the depth ring, using a pair of L-Rods with the MINERO power turned on. A lesser reaction occured on the "Signal line" with the Power turned off.

In my opinion, the MINERO, Does work, but not necessarily as it is advertised. Dell

[hung]

Mineoro

Hi Dell,

Nice to see you around here. First of all I would like to correct the spelling. It's actually 'Mineoro'.

Glad that you have the unit working. From pictures, I see that the model you have is the GDM 428, and you are right, it takes the user a relative understanding of how it works and a little time to practice and get used to it. But once you suceed on those, you have a great instrument and tool on your hands. I have the PDC 210 and detected many targets with it. One thing that I think you may not be aware of, is that you actually can use the 'Center & Deep' acessory as a pin pointer for small objects. It's advertised as a depth verifier but it plays a great role as a pinpointer too. You only need to have another person holding it ahead of the GDM and on the beach for instance, it pins points fine small rings etc.

Altough the GDM has more sensitivity than the PDC it was surpassed by the DC 2006, a superb unit. I talked to a customer who went 3 weeks ago to Garopaba to purchase it and he tested it for two days on the beach and found gold items both days in a row.

But my friend, the new Mineoro sensation and believe me, it will blow every detector in existence right now for sure, is the soon to be released FG 78.1, it will pick up gold of every type, not only long time buried, but Mineoro's concept of ionic field detection got so advanced that this detector will pick up fresh gold as well. I talked to Damasio and he told me how people at Mineoro are all happy and excited about its develpments and the results in the test fields were astonishing. It will be the initial development of a new daring project to be released in a year or so, using the Abacus Software to compute depth and distance in a display.
I'll be getting the FG 78.1 as soon it is released. It's heart breaking to say goodbye to the PDC210, but technology has to move on...

[Esteban]

Hope will be better this FG 78.1. By my own experiences, telescopic antenna is better for to pick up the microvolts of small items.

[michael]

Mineoro Score

Hi everybody.I am beginner in this forum. I hope these articles about mineoro be right. I hope more success for everybody searchs for gold or treasures.actually, when I hear or read about one man success become so glad.
Detection improvement technique is better for us (at least gold questers). But one question has been concerning for me;
when a new model is released , claim it's best without before limitations
and this repeats for next new model.So,can we conclude the latest model has some limitations like as befores? why they are continuously produce new models? Is there a main changing in their ability?
What's the totally score you give to their products?(100, 90, 80, 50,...)
Regards, Michael.

[michael]

Mineoro Score

Hi everybody.I am beginner in this forum. I hope these articles about mineoro be right. I hope more success for everybody searchs for gold or treasures.actually, when I hear or read about one man success become so glad.
Detection improvement technique is better for us (at least gold questers). But one question has been concerning for me;
when a new model is released , claim it's best without before limitations
and this repeats for next new model.So,can we conclude the latest model has some limitations like as befores? why they are continuously produce new models? Is there a main changing in their ability?
What's the totally score you give to their products?(100, 90, 80, 50,...)
Regards, Michael.

[hung]

Hi everybody.I am beginner in this forum. I hope these articles about mineoro be right. I hope more success for everybody searchs for gold or treasures.actually, when I hear or read about one man success become so glad.
Detection improvement technique is better for us (at least gold questers). But one question has been concerning for me;
when a new model is released , claim it's best without before limitations
and this repeats for next new model.So,can we conclude the latest model has some limitations like as befores? why they are continuously produce new models? Is there a main changing in their ability?
What's the totally score you give to their products?(100, 90, 80, 50,...)
Regards, Michael.

Hi Michael,

Technology as I understand and every device, be a detector, electronic equipment, etc. naturally have their limitations. When a new upgrade technology is aplied to a certain device, this particular device tends to work better and improved. That does not necessarily mean tough that the previous model was faulty. The upgrades reveal better technology and development of better aproaches.
In Mineoro's case, the 2003 model PDC210 which I happen to own, works and is a very good detector but 3 years later with the knowledge aquired regarding ionic fields, one can expect for sure a better model.
The seinsitiviness wil be improved as the power of detection. All Mineoro models before this one, only detected long time buried targets due to the longer buried object,the greater ionic field. Now the FG will be a benchmark as it detects fresh gold. This is a remarkable capability don't you think?

Regards.

[michael]

Hi. thank you. your comments are obvious and true but this claim (ability to fresh gold detecting) was for previous models too (at least for GDP 53 as you remember they at first delivered a 24 alloy gold sheet among with unit for test and it's detection demonstration. So it is not a new aspect in FG 78.1.
of course the field experiences are is another thing, for this reason me and certainly others are waiting for these reports of good and personable men like as ETEBAN or DELL, because nobody can trust only in producers advertisement. Just honest users are reliable. If you have appropriate notes about your mineoros advantages and disadvantages, your personal founds details, please share us and don't deprive us at least by e-mail ( I am very willing to get e-mails from you. it's a high favor)
Regards, Michael.

[hung]

this claim (ability to fresh gold detecting) was for previous models too (at least for GDP 53 as you remember they at first delivered a 24 alloy gold sheet among with unit for test and it's detection demonstration. So it is not a new aspect in FG 78.1.

As far as I know this only refered to models DIAS and IGD which included samples. The gold sheet you refer was never included with the GDP or previous models, but it might be in the case of the FG 78.1

certainly others are waiting for these reports of good and personable men like as ETEBAN or DELL, because nobody can trust only in producers advertisement. Just honest users are reliable. If you have appropriate notes about your mineoros advantages and disadvantages, your personal founds details, please share us and don't deprive us at least by e-mail ( I am very willing to get e-mails from you. it's a high favor)

I assume Esteban or Dell have never visited the factory and stayed for several days performing tests as I did. I agree that the great majority of manufacturers use a lot of advertising propaganda as a 'bait' for customers, but I've found nothing regarding the PDC so far that was in opposition to Mineoro's claims, provided the user knows about and gets used to the ionic field phenomena and the best times to do a research.
Anyway, as soon as I get the FG and use it in the field, I'll post my honest impressions even if the device happen to be what it's not expected.
Regards.

[Esteban]

Along the time I wrote searching tips and impressions about the models. The old microcontroller-automatic doesn't work respect my previsions (Carl had one). I go in trip 4 days (year 2001) and nothing with this old microcontroller-automatic PDC 205 type. Yes with the new PDC 205 two adjustable controls and the PDC 210, also 2 adjustable controls. With the both you have posibilities to find treasure, mainly in salty terrain. I found several items with the both. I have the 428 and yet is under test in inlands. 428 and 538 are models out of line. Waiting for try the new FG 78.1. No need to go in factory, I know personally the both inventors, one of them since 1979.

[michael]

Hi dear Esteban. I am so thankful for your sent info.
I appreciate your attendance to others like me.
I am willingly and impatiently waiting for your new experiences.
and you Mr. Hugh! Thank you, but it should be mentioned; Esteban has used some models and has good experiences. he gave me some appropriate notes and helps honestly. visiting from factory is not important. only the users experiences in field can be reliable; Dell, Esteban, You or anybody else.
Anyway sharing us in your experiences with old or new models will be appreciated. e.g. what was your deepest excavated object by them and the depth?
(if you don't want put in here please e-mail for me).Regards, Michael.

[Largesarge]

The picture in Esteban's post #50 is as the manufacturer calls it an electronic dipstick for use in sensing fliud levels, it is not a radar.

As far as the Mineoro and ionic detection is concerned, I posed that question to Dr. David Stern, Physicist Emeritus of the Lab for Particles and fields, Goddard Space Flight Center. Below is his opinion on the matter.

Dear Dennis

I would be very suspicious. First of all, I don't think gold
and silver evaporate through the ground to where they would be in
the atmosphere, where they might, possibly, form ions. But even
if they did, how would one tell those ions apart from other ions
present in the atmosphere, due to cosmic rays and radioactivity?
(There aren't many--otherwise the air would not be such a good
insulator--but a few exist.)

The usual instrument for identifying ions is called mass
spectrometer, and is usually big and complicated. As far as I
know, the ions must be in a vacuum, where they are accelerated by
some voltage drop and identified either by their velocity, using
grids to detect their passage electrically (heavy ions gain less
speed), or else, by their deflection between the poles of a
magnet. It's a complex and expensive instrument.

So no, I would be dubious.

David P. Stern
Greenbelt, Maryland

As stated this is his opinion, but given his qualifications this dotty old retired NCO is inclined to agree.

[hung]

As stated this is his opinion, but given his qualifications this dotty old retired NCO is inclined to agree.

His explanation of ions and ion identification is correct.
This however only involves one known of many ways to aproach the subject.
If Mineoro (Damasio) released his aproach which happens to be ONE that makes the devices work, it would be known and everybody would build his/her own ionic gold detector.
I said earlier that even if one tried to open them to check how it works, he would never figure it out. People at Mineoro would have to be a bunch of idiots if they sold detectors that the user would open and be capable of clone it, don't you think?
That's why Damasio just laughed when he became aware of the fact that a PDC was shown open in this forum.

Think of it as a cake. All the shelf indredients are known, but it requires the RECIPE to make it right. There are a lot of cakes around, but that particular one...
OK you don't have the recipe, you could take it to an analysis and find it's got flour, butter, etc. So what?

[Carl-NC]

First of all, I don't think gold and silver evaporate through the ground to where they would be in the atmosphere, where they might, possibly, form ions.

This is especially true of gold, which is chemically inert. If gold & silver do shed ions, then this should be VERY easy to prove scientifically. Can someone -- *anyone* -- provide either research that shows this to be true, or a reproducible experiment that demonstrates this claim?

But even if they did, how would one tell those ions apart from other ions present in the atmosphere, due to cosmic rays and radioactivity?

True again. Ions are atoms, not radiation. They are physical particles, and therefore would have to float around in the air, at the complete mercy of the wind. Assuming that they don't recombine with opposite charges, there is NO WAY to tell where the ion came from. Furthermore, it is not too difficult to detect ions simply by their charge, as some smoke detectors do. But it is VERY difficult to identify the actual atom.

The usual instrument for identifying ions is called mass spectrometer, and is usually big and complicated. As far as I know, the ions must be in a vacuum, where they are accelerated by some voltage drop and identified either by their velocity, using grids to detect their passage electrically (heavy ions gain less speed), or else, by their deflection between the poles of a magnet. It's a complex and expensive instrument.

Yup. Identifying the atom requires a drift tube, were the drift velocity is measured. This is pretty hefty equipment.

Dr. Sterns confirms what I have said several times. Gold does not give off ions. Ions will drift around and mix with other ions. Identifying ions ain't easy. Identifying direction at a distance is impossible.

So far, most of the criticisms directed at my findings on Mineoro are

• Carl had an older Mineoro with one knob, and it did not work as well as the newer 2-knob Mineoros.
• Mineoro uses a new ion detection method that no one on Earth but 2 guys in Brazil understands.
• No one can open up a Mineoro and tell how it works, or duplicate it.

My response to the first criticism is that the PDC205 I had was advertised by Mineoro as a long-range gold ion detector, the same as their newer models. It would NOT detect gold (which no one seems to doubt!) and did NOT have any facility to detect ions. If this model was a scam, then I have no reason to believe that subsequent models are any different.

I seriously doubt that Mineoro has come up with a new ion detection method. Just the fundamentals of ion behaviour make their claims ludicrous. But I am open-minded, and I have asked several times... describe a simple, reproducible experiment that either shows gold produces ions, or that ions can be detected at a distance. So far, this request has proven to be impossible.

Finally, it is silly to say that a device like the Mineoro cannot be reverse-engineered. It can, quite easily. Please don't tell me that a microcontroller's code can be protected from reading... I know better. While my reverse-engineering of the PDC205 did not find anything that related to ion detection, I did find a regenerative receiver that can be triggered by a remote-control signal which, obiously, could be used to make the device beep and deceive someone into believing it was detecting gold.

Now, all that said, I will attempt to get ahold of a newer Mineoro, run some tests, and reverse-engineer it. Can someone tell me which model(s) will REALLY detect gold? Since the FG78.1 supposedly detects "fresh gold" (whatever that is), perhaps this is the model I should get... anyone know how much it costs? I notice the Mineoro web site omits pricing.

- Carl